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AndrewHerinkSecondPaper 4 - 11 May 2010 - Main.EbenMoglen
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Why Bobbitt is Wrong on TIA | | -- AndrewHerink - 29 Apr 2010 | |
> > | I think you could have
been much brisker about laying out this argument. You spend too long
making two arguments, somewhat repetitively. Yes, Bobbitt's "we're
just using data turned over in the private market" so everyone has
consented is utterly meretricious. But this is a political tract you
are discussing, not a serious work of responsible legal analysis.
The important point is that his offering the argument confirms what I
and others from the Free World have previously insisted: if you let a
private unregulated market in personal information exist, that system
will come to do the government's work for it cheaply, and without
outraging the citizenry as direct government spying would, which
makes vile abuses of power much easier. The behavior of
supposedly-respectable public servants like Bobbitt shows how that
process happens.
On the other argument, however, you're not being intellectually
responsible yourself. Systems that infer who should be an object of
government hostility and only reveal the names of suspects to human
beings are different than systems in which human beings see all the
identities at the outset, just as Google Mail is a different kind of
problem because programs infer what advertisements to show you while
you read your mail than it would be if editor/censors performed the
same task. Some privacy problems are therefore eliminated, Others
aren't eliminated. Some new ones are created. To have your own
personal video recorder mistake your sexual preference is merely
amusing, potentially inconvenient. But to be identified by a
government computer program as an enemy of the state is something
else again. A clearer explication of what's right and what's wrong
about his presentation would be useful.
Beyond the immediate context, however, why are you bothering with
Bobbitt's defense of TIA? We aren't doing that at all, we're only
doing a bunch of things that look a lot like it, and having Google do
some of the other things for us. What difference does it make that
the defenders of the national security state, whether they are
Republican Texans or Democratic Texans, are going to say its
necessary, while non-defenders of the national security state, like
Illinois Democrats, are simply going to behave as though it's
necessary? Data-mining is to the US of 2010 what aerospace was to
the US of JFK and (has he mentioned he's his nephew?) LBJ. It's the
hottest part of the hot economy, it's what the US does better than
anybody else—or at any rate it might be depending on what that
competitor Empire over in Asia is doing, and it's all tied up with
national security. It will also, like aerospace, become a
particularly important source of corruption in politics. Bobbitt's
defense of TIA is mere bullshit slung against a molehill. You should
be looking at the larger context through assembly of more recent
phenomena, including—just to take two at random—the
current joined-at-the-hip posture of Google and the Department of
State, and what the recent events surrounding the botched Times
Square car bomb taught us about what government can and can't do with
respect to the intended core function of national security
data-mining. | | | |
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