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< | Why Southcote's Case, 4 Co. Rep. 83b; Cro. Eliz. 815 (1601)? The
rule never appealed to anyone before or since, as no one has ever tried to
disturb Coggs v. Bernard, which overruled it, and where Holt said that
the judges in London had never followed it. How did it come to be
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> | Why Southcote's Case, 4 Co. Rep. 83b; Cro. Eliz. 815 (1601)? The rule ("that to keep and to keep safely are one and the same thing") apparently never appealed to anyone before or since, as no one has ever tried to disturb Coggs v. Bernard 2 Ld. Raym. 909, which overruled it, and where Holt said that the judges in London had never followed it. How did it come to be decided ... or was it decided? | | |
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> | May also be spelled as Southcott, Southcot, or Southcoat. (Defendant may be Bennett or Bennet.)
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> | The rule in Coke's report of Southcote's case is a fairly extreme one. Holt in Coggs v. Bernard does such a thorough job of demolishing Coke's report of the case, as well as laying out a typology of bailments, that bailment cases prior to it have all but vanished from The Digest. | | | | |
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< | Holmes says of the case: "The attempts of Lord Holt in Coggs v. Bernard, and of Sir William Jones in his book on Bailments, to show that Southcote v. Bennet was not sustained by authority, were futile, as any one who will Study the Year Books for himself may see. The same principle was laid down seven years before by Peryam, C. B., in Drake v. Royman, and Southcote's Case was followed as a leading precedent without question for a hundred years." OTOH, a brief piece says that Holmes is 'the only positive reference' to Southcote's case in the past hundred years; Drake v. Royman is also overruled(?): DRAKE v. ROYMAN, Sav. 133.
That an executor cannot maintain trover, if the conversion was in the lifetime of the testator. Overruled. Crosier v. Ogleby, 1 Stra. 60; Badlam v. Tucker, I Pick. 389. | >
> | Still, at least one author finds the rule supportable: Holmes. In Lectures on the Common Law, Holmes says of the case: "The attempts of Lord Holt in Coggs v. Bernard, and of Sir William Jones in his book on Bailments, to show that Southcote v. Bennet was not sustained by authority, were futile, as any one who will Study the Year Books for himself may see. The same principle was laid down seven years before by Peryam, C. B., in Drake v. Royman, and Southcote's Case was followed as a leading precedent without question for a hundred years." Holmes may yet be alone- a brief Harvard Law Review piece roughly contemporaneous to Holmesalt. source says that Holmes is 'the only positive reference' to Southcote's case in 'the past hundred years', and another contemporary HLR piece points out some misanalysis by Holmes. Perhaps more interestingly, that piece points out some significant flaws in the reasoning in Southcote, and suggests that it later went to the defendant. | | | | |
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> | In the passage Holmes refers to, William Jones's Bailments says: | | |
"The reason of the judgment," says Lord Coke, "was, because the plaintiff had delivered the goods to be safely kept, and the defendant had taken the charge of them upon himself, by accepting them on such a delivery." Had the reporter stopped here, I do not see what possible objection could have been made; but his exuberant erudition boiled over, and produced the frothy conceit which has occasioned so many reflections on the case itself; namely, "that to keep and to keep safely are one and the same thing;" [...] | |
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Drake v. Royman, Savile 133
resources still to digest
- Pollock and Maitland on bailment: covers early history; suggests that an absolute rule may have been the case c. 1200, per Glanvill x. 18, but that even as early as Bracton (f. 62b, 99) there was at least sometimes a mitigating factor for diligence (which Southcote ignores.)
- Lane v. Cotton, 12 Mod. 473; 88 ER 1458. Holt in dicta distinguishes Southcote's case, saying that it is good law for the case of a special bailment, and including the case where the bailee is a government agent as a special bailment, but that the general rule of the case does not hold.
resources still to find
- 33 Hen. 6. pl. 1: when a gaol is broken open, the gaoler can be charged because 'he hath his remedy over'
- Woodlife's Case, Moo. 462; Mosley v. Fossett, Moo. 543: in which the other judges (who did not rule on Southcote) differ from Gawdy and Clench on bailment cases, per 11 HLR 161
- Ld. Raymond, 3d. ed: Call # Rep 1775g. Apparently adds an annotation that the rule 'was denied to be law by the whole case, ex relatione Magistri Bunbury.'
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- 3 E. 4, 15 pl 7 by Littleton 1462
- 9 E. 4, 34 pl 9 by Littleton and Brian JJ 1469
- 9 E. 4, 40 pl 22 1469 by Danby CJ ante
- 6 H 7 12 pl 9 per Fineux J 1491
- 10 H 7 26 pl 3 per Fineux J 1495 ("In the last two cases Keble, arguendo, had stated the opposite view and Brooke (Detinue, 37) by a query appears rather to approve Keble's contention.")
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