AimingAtAimfulness 7 - 21 Nov 2020 - Main.GregOrr
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I agree with Prof. Moglen that defining aims would help narrow our focus to manageable problems. | | • We live on Earth in a broadly recognizable way, approaching ideals of goodness, fairness, and sustainability, and | |
< < | • We expand infinitely in capability and knowledge, conquering scarcity and death on our way to complete freedom. | > > | • We expand infinitely (or something, whether this involves outer space or not, e.g., substantially/totally/perfectly) in capability and knowledge, overcoming scarcity and death on our way to complete freedom/good-case/apotheosis. | | | |
< < | I might attribute the first to Tharaud and more of the second to Cerriere. Views like these may underlie/contribute to our perceptions/orientations/approaches, some like Galileo and Jesus from Galilee, variably focused/oriented though plausibly consistent. I wonder if Galileo Galilei and Galilee is design-intended, perhaps with humor/sense, with respect to this kind of question of sun/Son centrality/orientation? Also, triangulation/generational through line of one's life and good for son/children, sun/Son/son. Is it useful to think about? Sprinkle in jokes lightly, like what's for lunch? Microcosm, macrocosm, my current circumstance, the present, short, medium, long-term future/goals, content and facility, is-ought wheel. I'm hydrated, got to clean my kitchen. Like part Roomba. Going to church today, it's All Saints' Day, a holy day of obligation. ... currently reading Paterson by William Carlos Williams, after seeing a flick I enjoyed called Paterson ... | > > | I might attribute the first to Tharaud (or Woody, I guess) and more of the second to Cerriere (or Buzz, I guess, in that sort of sense). Views like these may underlie/contribute to our perceptions/orientations/approaches, some like Galileo and Jesus from Galilee, variably focused/oriented though plausibly consistent. I wonder if Galileo Galilei and Galilee is design-intended, perhaps with humor/sense, with respect to this kind of question of sun/Son centrality/orientation? Also, triangulation/generational through line of one's life and good for son/children, sun/Son/son (God/Jesus/heaven/angels stuff may be like Buzz-side in that kind of way, and/or cowboy?). Is it useful to think about? Sprinkle in jokes lightly, like what's for lunch? Be careful to not be offensive or problematic though. Is that split infinitive a problem? To not be or not to be is not that helpful a Hamlet joke... I'm funny... And watch out for Inspector Gadget Claw, if that's a thing. Microcosm, macrocosm, my current circumstance, the present, short, medium, long-term future/goals, content and facility, is-ought wheel, xy-field like what/why content/reason. I'm hydrated, got to clean my kitchen... like part Roomba. I like dogs and bookshelves, being decent/comfortable/happy, good content/moral / health/taste, family photo albums. Going to church today, it's All Saints' Day, a holy day of obligation. Currently reading Paterson by William Carlos Williams, after seeing a flick I enjoyed called Paterson. ... wonder stylings ... | |
-- GregOrr - 09 Apr 2009
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AimingAtAimfulness 6 - 02 Nov 2019 - Main.GregOrr
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I agree with Prof. Moglen that defining aims would help narrow our focus to manageable problems. | | The third signal may be a further instrument of perspective and calibration. I suspect there are some substantial differences in what people have in mind (more or less consciously) and range of what's out there, currently and in plausible prospectivity. I wonder to what extent people think there's an important division of opinion between: | |
< < | • We continue to live here on Earth in a broadly recognizable way, approaching ideals of fairness and sustainability, and | > > | • We live on Earth in a broadly recognizable way, approaching ideals of goodness, fairness, and sustainability, and | | • We expand infinitely in capability and knowledge, conquering scarcity and death on our way to complete freedom. | |
< < | I might attribute the first to Tharaud and more of the second to Cerriere. Views like these may underlie/contribute to our perceptions/orientations/approaches, some like Galileo and Jesus from Galilee, variably focused/oriented though plausibly consistent. I wonder if Galileo Galilei and Galilee is design-intended, perhaps with humor/sense, with respect to this kind of question of sun/Son centrality/orientation? Also, triangulation/generational through line of one's life and good for son/children, sun/Son/son. Is it useful to think about? Sprinkle in jokes lightly, like what's for lunch? Microcosm, macrocosm, my current circumstance, the present, short, medium, long-term future/goals, content and facility, is-ought wheel, I'm hydrated, got to clean my kitchen, like part Roomba. Going to church today, it's All Saints' Day, a holy day of obligation. ... currently reading Paterson by William Carlos Williams, after seeing a flick I enjoyed called Paterson ... | > > | I might attribute the first to Tharaud and more of the second to Cerriere. Views like these may underlie/contribute to our perceptions/orientations/approaches, some like Galileo and Jesus from Galilee, variably focused/oriented though plausibly consistent. I wonder if Galileo Galilei and Galilee is design-intended, perhaps with humor/sense, with respect to this kind of question of sun/Son centrality/orientation? Also, triangulation/generational through line of one's life and good for son/children, sun/Son/son. Is it useful to think about? Sprinkle in jokes lightly, like what's for lunch? Microcosm, macrocosm, my current circumstance, the present, short, medium, long-term future/goals, content and facility, is-ought wheel. I'm hydrated, got to clean my kitchen. Like part Roomba. Going to church today, it's All Saints' Day, a holy day of obligation. ... currently reading Paterson by William Carlos Williams, after seeing a flick I enjoyed called Paterson ... | |
-- GregOrr - 09 Apr 2009
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AimingAtAimfulness 5 - 02 Nov 2019 - Main.GregOrr
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I agree with Prof. Moglen that defining aims would help narrow our focus to manageable problems. | | • We expand infinitely in capability and knowledge, conquering scarcity and death on our way to complete freedom. | |
< < | I might attribute the first to Tharaud and more of the second to Cerriere. Views like these may underlie/contribute to our perceptions/orientations/approaches, some like Galileo and Jesus from Galilee, variably focused/oriented though plausibly consistent. I wonder if Galileo Galilei and Galilee is design-intended, perhaps with humor/sense, with respect to this kind of question of sun/Son centrality/orientation? Also, triangulation/generational through line of one's life and good for son/children, sun/Son/son. Is it useful to think about? Sprinkle in jokes lightly, like what's for lunch? Microcosm, macrocosm, my current circumstance, the present, short, medium, long-term future/goals, content and facility, I'm hydrated, got to clean my kitchen. Going to church today, it's All Saints' Day, a holy day of obligation. ... currently reading Paterson by William Carlos Williams, after seeing a flick I enjoyed called Paterson ... | > > | I might attribute the first to Tharaud and more of the second to Cerriere. Views like these may underlie/contribute to our perceptions/orientations/approaches, some like Galileo and Jesus from Galilee, variably focused/oriented though plausibly consistent. I wonder if Galileo Galilei and Galilee is design-intended, perhaps with humor/sense, with respect to this kind of question of sun/Son centrality/orientation? Also, triangulation/generational through line of one's life and good for son/children, sun/Son/son. Is it useful to think about? Sprinkle in jokes lightly, like what's for lunch? Microcosm, macrocosm, my current circumstance, the present, short, medium, long-term future/goals, content and facility, is-ought wheel, I'm hydrated, got to clean my kitchen, like part Roomba. Going to church today, it's All Saints' Day, a holy day of obligation. ... currently reading Paterson by William Carlos Williams, after seeing a flick I enjoyed called Paterson ... | |
-- GregOrr - 09 Apr 2009 |
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AimingAtAimfulness 4 - 01 Nov 2019 - Main.GregOrr
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I agree with Prof. Moglen that defining aims would help narrow our focus to manageable problems. | | • We expand infinitely in capability and knowledge, conquering scarcity and death on our way to complete freedom. | |
< < | I might attribute the first to Tharaud and more of the second to Cerriere. Views like these may underlie/contribute to our perceptions/orientations/approaches, some like Galileo and Jesus from Galilee, variably focused/oriented though plausibly consistent (I wonder if Galileo Galilei and Galilee is design-intended, perhaps with humor/sense, with respect to this kind of question of sun centrality?). Is it useful to think about? | > > | I might attribute the first to Tharaud and more of the second to Cerriere. Views like these may underlie/contribute to our perceptions/orientations/approaches, some like Galileo and Jesus from Galilee, variably focused/oriented though plausibly consistent. I wonder if Galileo Galilei and Galilee is design-intended, perhaps with humor/sense, with respect to this kind of question of sun/Son centrality/orientation? Also, triangulation/generational through line of one's life and good for son/children, sun/Son/son. Is it useful to think about? Sprinkle in jokes lightly, like what's for lunch? Microcosm, macrocosm, my current circumstance, the present, short, medium, long-term future/goals, content and facility, I'm hydrated, got to clean my kitchen. Going to church today, it's All Saints' Day, a holy day of obligation. ... currently reading Paterson by William Carlos Williams, after seeing a flick I enjoyed called Paterson ... | |
-- GregOrr - 09 Apr 2009
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AimingAtAimfulness 3 - 28 Oct 2019 - Main.GregOrr
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I agree with Prof. Moglen that defining aims would help narrow our focus to manageable problems.
I'll tentatively propose that one should reconcile three kinds of signals: (1) one's skills, (2) one's sense of issues or people that are on the right track, and (3) one's sense of an ideal future world. | |
< < | Our excerpt of "Something Split" shows "All Great Problems Come from the Streets" as the next chapter, which accords with Arnold's analysis of new organizations rising to fill unmet needs. I'd slot it in with the second signal – I agree it's crucial, but it may be incomplete and prone to overcorrection. (In the 1800s we had pro-business laws and "rugged individualism" because everyone was poor and we wanted to build an avenue to relief for some, rather than none. Now some people are rich and some people are poor, so we consider replacing the system with something geared toward equality. Sounds good, but I need to hear more. We shouldn't be oblivious to earlier problems and goals, lest we regress and repeat.) | > > | Our excerpt of "Something Split" shows "All Great Problems Come from the Streets" as the next chapter, which accords with Arnold's analysis of new organizations rising to fill unmet needs, an example of the second signal category above. Those things are sensible and can be important, and can be incorporated/approached sensibly. (Some concern/process sense of correction/development/incorporation... In the 1800s we had pro-business laws and "rugged individualism" for development/capability. Further on with some development and capacity, rich and poor, we consider/develop equality and provisions further, like social safety net. These things both having sense to them and combining with interest in good/right/appropriate case.) | | | |
< < | I've yet to give up on the third signal as an instrument of perspective and calibration. I suspect there are big differences in what people have in mind (more or less consciously) that mostly go unrecognized. I wonder to what extent people think there's an important division of opinion between: | > > | The third signal may be a further instrument of perspective and calibration. I suspect there are some substantial differences in what people have in mind (more or less consciously) and range of what's out there, currently and in plausible prospectivity. I wonder to what extent people think there's an important division of opinion between: | | • We continue to live here on Earth in a broadly recognizable way, approaching ideals of fairness and sustainability, and
• We expand infinitely in capability and knowledge, conquering scarcity and death on our way to complete freedom. | |
< < | I might attribute the first to Tharaud and more of the second to Cerriere. Views like these may underlie our perceptions more than we think and explain some failures to communicate. Interestingly, the notion of perpetual economic growth might rely on the feasibility of the second future. Is it useful to think about? | > > | I might attribute the first to Tharaud and more of the second to Cerriere. Views like these may underlie/contribute to our perceptions/orientations/approaches, some like Galileo and Jesus from Galilee, variably focused/oriented though plausibly consistent (I wonder if Galileo Galilei and Galilee is design-intended, perhaps with humor/sense, with respect to this kind of question of sun centrality?). Is it useful to think about? | |
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AimingAtAimfulness 2 - 07 Jan 2010 - Main.IanSullivan
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| | I agree with Prof. Moglen that defining aims would help narrow our focus to manageable problems.
I'll tentatively propose that one should reconcile three kinds of signals: (1) one's skills, (2) one's sense of issues or people that are on the right track, and (3) one's sense of an ideal future world. |
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AimingAtAimfulness 1 - 10 Apr 2009 - Main.GregOrr
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> > | I agree with Prof. Moglen that defining aims would help narrow our focus to manageable problems.
I'll tentatively propose that one should reconcile three kinds of signals: (1) one's skills, (2) one's sense of issues or people that are on the right track, and (3) one's sense of an ideal future world.
Our excerpt of "Something Split" shows "All Great Problems Come from the Streets" as the next chapter, which accords with Arnold's analysis of new organizations rising to fill unmet needs. I'd slot it in with the second signal – I agree it's crucial, but it may be incomplete and prone to overcorrection. (In the 1800s we had pro-business laws and "rugged individualism" because everyone was poor and we wanted to build an avenue to relief for some, rather than none. Now some people are rich and some people are poor, so we consider replacing the system with something geared toward equality. Sounds good, but I need to hear more. We shouldn't be oblivious to earlier problems and goals, lest we regress and repeat.)
I've yet to give up on the third signal as an instrument of perspective and calibration. I suspect there are big differences in what people have in mind (more or less consciously) that mostly go unrecognized. I wonder to what extent people think there's an important division of opinion between:
• We continue to live here on Earth in a broadly recognizable way, approaching ideals of fairness and sustainability, and
• We expand infinitely in capability and knowledge, conquering scarcity and death on our way to complete freedom.
I might attribute the first to Tharaud and more of the second to Cerriere. Views like these may underlie our perceptions more than we think and explain some failures to communicate. Interestingly, the notion of perpetual economic growth might rely on the feasibility of the second future. Is it useful to think about?
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