BrandonGeFirstPaper 9 - 01 Mar 2010 - Main.MatthewZorn
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| | charge people $1,000 for littering or $500 for driving under-loaded
in HOV lanes, or for speeding in construction zones, you make even
sporadic enforcement very effective, because the fines are larger | |
< < | than many drivers' cars are worth. You also create a good reason for | > > | than many drivers' cars are worth.
Effective by what means? Effective, as in actually deterring the behavior? I think there is ample evidence to show that when the probability of something occurring is sufficiently small (as I imagine it is in HOV lanes), humans discount the probability of its occurrence entirely. I have not looked specifically at San Jose's HOV program. I have, however, seen that students will plagiarize and cheat academically, even when facing extremely harsh penalties, because the probabilities of being caught are almost non-existent.
Of course, the real solution to HOV lane cheating isn't trying to change social norms or instituting Draconian punishments. The solution is to install cameras to watch the HOV lane. I realize the essay deals with this idea, however, I think it vastly underestimates the extremely potent deterrent effect of cameras. If you are from the same part of Maryland that I am, you will know first hand what cameras will do to people when they come near (when the probability of something occurring is sufficiently small, we often discount the probability of its occurrence entirely). Stopping HOV lane cheating is simple--just park an empty cop car in a shoulder near the HOV lane and create the illusion of enforcement. -mz - 01 Mar 2010
You also create a good reason for | | the Highway Patrol to make enforcement of these rules a significant
priority. That plus some points on the license, endangering the
ability to make a living in a place that so utterly requires each | | prevent behavior quite effectively. No significant littering happens
on Highway 1, and at least in my experience with Silicon Valley
traffic, HOV violation is very uncommon conduct. | |
< < | | > > | | | I think more statistics would be crucial to making this point about Sporadic Enforcement, whichever way it goes. The simple Risk calculation of Punishment*Likelihood isn't very informative. Most people aren't great at math, and even if they are it isn't all that influential. Sporadic Enforcement plus Heart Stopping fines seems to be the strategy used by the RIAA, and the consensus is that it is totally ineffective. Perhaps even counterproductive, as it turns public sentiment against them. I realize that traffic fines are much less sporadic than that, and that high fines give the Police incentive to increase enforcement, but I'm not prepared to assume, based on logic and an anecdote, that the strategy "works". Most data and metrics are subject to the criticism below, but it would give you some basis to begin your comparison. - Stephen Severo | |
< < | So maybe you're right | > > | So maybe you're right | | and maybe you aren't: perhaps there's data showing that San Diego
does better than San Jose by some measurement we might be interested
in (though it probably wouldn't do by some other measure of equal |
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BrandonGeFirstPaper 8 - 01 Mar 2010 - Main.DRussellKraft
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| | Most alternatives are flawed. Barriers between HOV and unrestricted lanes can increase the effectiveness of police officer enforcement, but may lead to slower transit times in the HOV lane, as the effect of one slow driver is amplified. Also, the lower number of exits and entries for the HOV lane would discourage use even by carpoolers. Video and photographic surveillance is fraught with inaccuracies since it often cannot detect children and sleeping people. | |
< < | Success of the FasTrak? Program | > > | Success of the FasTrak Program | | | |
< < | One successful solution has been the creation of a high occupancy toll (HOT) lane by allowing solo commuters the option to buy their way into the HOV lane. San Diego did this with their FasTrak? program, launched in 1996, and it has resulted in an increased number of carpoolers and decreased violation rate. Although patrol presence increased with the launch of the program, this cannot fully explain these successful results since historically, violation rates had not fallen and risen with the level of enforcement. What explains these results? | > > | One successful solution has been the creation of a high occupancy toll (HOT) lane by allowing solo commuters the option to buy their way into the HOV lane. San Diego did this with their FasTrak program, launched in 1996, and it has resulted in an increased number of carpoolers and decreased violation rate. Although patrol presence increased with the launch of the program, this cannot fully explain these successful results since historically, violation rates had not fallen and risen with the level of enforcement. What explains these results? | | Social Norms
Social norms can be an effective, low-maintenance way of encouraging people to act in certain ways. In class discussion and in the literature, it has been suggested that social norms play a role in homeowners continuing payments even when it is advantageous to walk away. There is a social stigma attached to foreclosure. We have also seen this with seat belt laws. It was only a few decades ago when few people wore seat belts. But because of seat belt laws, use of seat belts became so widespread that now many people buckle up upon sitting in a car without thinking twice. Other examples of social norms people generally adhere to without enforcement include not cursing in front of children, recycling, and leaving a tip after a meal in a restaurant. | |
< < | There is already a social deterrent from violating HOV lane rules in areas that have not implemented a program similar to FasTrak? . Violators frequently get dirty looks and honks from carpoolers. This, coupled with the volume of people a violator drives past during a traffic jam, can be a powerful deterrent for some (this is the main deterrent that I consider when driving solo). However, given the unpopularity and emptiness of many HOV lanes, there is still a high rate of violators who believe they are doing a social good in violating what they consider a stupid law. | > > | There is already a social deterrent from violating HOV lane rules in areas that have not implemented a program similar to FasTrak. Violators frequently get dirty looks and honks from carpoolers. This, coupled with the volume of people a violator drives past during a traffic jam, can be a powerful deterrent for some (this is the main deterrent that I consider when driving solo). However, given the unpopularity and emptiness of many HOV lanes, there is still a high rate of violators who believe they are doing a social good in violating what they consider a stupid law. | | | |
< < | The FasTrak? program has created a social norm against cheating. The popularity of the program, the stupidity of violation and risking hefty fines, and the availability of meaningful alternatives have helped create a community-wide stigma against violation. As violation rates decrease further, it becomes internalized that cheating is socially unacceptable, eventually reaching a point where people adhere to the rules voluntarily and with little enforcement. Guilt becomes the deterrent. | > > | The FasTrak program has created a social norm against cheating. The popularity of the program, the stupidity of violation and risking hefty fines, and the availability of meaningful alternatives have helped create a community-wide stigma against violation. As violation rates decrease further, it becomes internalized that cheating is socially unacceptable, eventually reaching a point where people adhere to the rules voluntarily and with little enforcement. Guilt becomes the deterrent. | | HOV lane enforcement is costly and ineffective. Thus, creation of a social norm that produces guilt in violators will be the main factor in improving nationwide compliance with HOV lane rules. |
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BrandonGeFirstPaper 7 - 01 Mar 2010 - Main.StephenSevero
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| | on Highway 1, and at least in my experience with Silicon Valley
traffic, HOV violation is very uncommon conduct.
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< < | | > > | I think more statistics would be crucial to making this point about Sporadic Enforcement, whichever way it goes. The simple Risk calculation of Punishment*Likelihood isn't very informative. Most people aren't great at math, and even if they are it isn't all that influential. Sporadic Enforcement plus Heart Stopping fines seems to be the strategy used by the RIAA, and the consensus is that it is totally ineffective. Perhaps even counterproductive, as it turns public sentiment against them. I realize that traffic fines are much less sporadic than that, and that high fines give the Police incentive to increase enforcement, but I'm not prepared to assume, based on logic and an anecdote, that the strategy "works". Most data and metrics are subject to the criticism below, but it would give you some basis to begin your comparison. - Stephen Severo | | So maybe you're right
and maybe you aren't: perhaps there's data showing that San Diego
does better than San Jose by some measurement we might be interested |
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BrandonGeFirstPaper 6 - 01 Mar 2010 - Main.EbenMoglen
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| | The FasTrak? program has created a social norm against cheating. The popularity of the program, the stupidity of violation and risking hefty fines, and the availability of meaningful alternatives have helped create a community-wide stigma against violation. As violation rates decrease further, it becomes internalized that cheating is socially unacceptable, eventually reaching a point where people adhere to the rules voluntarily and with little enforcement. Guilt becomes the deterrent.
HOV lane enforcement is costly and ineffective. Thus, creation of a social norm that produces guilt in violators will be the main factor in improving nationwide compliance with HOV lane rules.
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> > | This isn't actually an
essay that earns the conclusion you've put on it. What happened was
that Strahilevitz wrote a too-clever-by-half piece designed to misuse
a metaphor: he was going to prove the value of pollution emission
permits by analogy with selling HOV lane access. You came along and
took his HOV access material, his arguments, and his conclusion hook,
line and sinker, including the social norms implications. But
Strahilevitz is just a wise-ass law clerk, and he's writing a paper
designed to get him a teaching job by sounding smart, so there's no
reason to believe he's actually got a tight argument on his
jumping-off point, which is just a metaphor anyway. When you come
along and borrow this organ-grinder's monkey, you're now responsible
for your data and your conclusions. So how about moving away from
San Diego and DC, and looking at the San Jose metropolitan area,
where the penalty for violating the HOV lane rules, like the penalty
for littering on the coast highway, is heart-stoppingly high. If you
charge people $1,000 for littering or $500 for driving under-loaded
in HOV lanes, or for speeding in construction zones, you make even
sporadic enforcement very effective, because the fines are larger
than many drivers' cars are worth. You also create a good reason for
the Highway Patrol to make enforcement of these rules a significant
priority. That plus some points on the license, endangering the
ability to make a living in a place that so utterly requires each
worker to retain the privilege to drive, and you are likely to
prevent behavior quite effectively. No significant littering happens
on Highway 1, and at least in my experience with Silicon Valley
traffic, HOV violation is very uncommon conduct.
So maybe you're right
and maybe you aren't: perhaps there's data showing that San Diego
does better than San Jose by some measurement we might be interested
in (though it probably wouldn't do by some other measure of equal
interest, because that's the problem with "policy science") but
you're not even going to find that data as long as you're relying on
Strahilevitz to do all your work for you. And whether the "social
norm," which it might be simpler to call "other social control" is
more powerful than law doesn't require extended analysis: law is
always a fairly weak means of social control. If every church
sermonized against HOV lane violation every Sunday, that would be
more effective at deterring than high fines, though perhaps less
effective than frequent public capital punishment. But other social
control is not usually incompatible with legal social control, except
in the thought experiments of smart-ass dudes trying to get a
teaching gig at Chicago. There are other matters to consider:
Whether enforcement is expensive, for example, depends on whether it
pays for itself. And so on. Strahilevitz has a bunch of other
problems, because he puts a ladder on top of this rickety stool and
tries to climb many times higher than his head on it, but you've
borrowed from him problems enough. Whether one wants to be
responsible for this organ grinder's monkey isn't clear to me, but if
you do, you need to ask some slightly broader questions and gather
some slightly more comprehensive information.
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BrandonGeFirstPaper 5 - 01 Mar 2010 - Main.BrandonGe
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| | Social Norms | |
< < | Social norms can be an effective, low-maintenance way of encouraging people to act in certain ways. In class discussion and in the literature, it has been suggested that social norms play a role in homeowners continuing payments even when it is advantageous to walk away. There is a social stigma attached to foreclosure. We have also seen this with seat belt laws. It was only a few decades ago when few people wore seat belts. But because of seat belt laws, use of seat belts became so widespread that now many people buckle up upon sitting in a car without thinking twice. Other examples of social norms people generally adhere to without enforcement include cursing in front of children, recycling, and leaving a tip after a meal in a restaurant. | > > | Social norms can be an effective, low-maintenance way of encouraging people to act in certain ways. In class discussion and in the literature, it has been suggested that social norms play a role in homeowners continuing payments even when it is advantageous to walk away. There is a social stigma attached to foreclosure. We have also seen this with seat belt laws. It was only a few decades ago when few people wore seat belts. But because of seat belt laws, use of seat belts became so widespread that now many people buckle up upon sitting in a car without thinking twice. Other examples of social norms people generally adhere to without enforcement include not cursing in front of children, recycling, and leaving a tip after a meal in a restaurant. | | There is already a social deterrent from violating HOV lane rules in areas that have not implemented a program similar to FasTrak? . Violators frequently get dirty looks and honks from carpoolers. This, coupled with the volume of people a violator drives past during a traffic jam, can be a powerful deterrent for some (this is the main deterrent that I consider when driving solo). However, given the unpopularity and emptiness of many HOV lanes, there is still a high rate of violators who believe they are doing a social good in violating what they consider a stupid law. |
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