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CharacterizingBlacksObservations 2 - 05 Mar 2009 - Main.GregOrr
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| What this is: A claim that Black’s observations (which as Moglen said today aren’t explanations) are the tip of an iceberg rather than principles themselves.
In a nutshell: Black provides top-down empirical generalizations about how law varies with social characteristics. But this is highly suggestive that there’s some bottom-up explanation in terms of more basic human tendencies. That is, his generalizations really look like they result from underlying psychological phenomena rather than merely emerging at the societal level. | | In concluding: Does this characterization of Black's observations seem reasonable? If so, what might underlie them? If not, why might Black's observations better be characterized as something else (such as independent principles)?
-- GregJohnson - 04 Mar 2009 | |
> > | The similarity jumps out at me too, probably owing to associations with words like varies, proportionally, directly, and inversely as well as the somewhat Asberger-ish tone. The analogy seems clear; chemistry:physics::sociology:psychology, higher level regularities emerging from lower level regularities. Black is particularly pleased that he's able to model the behavior of the law "without regard to the individual ... human nature ... [or] how the individual experiences reality" (7) because he's able to get to the point while avoiding the weeds of psychology. The model claims scientific virtues of predictiveness and parsimony.
When we try to validate or use the model, though, we intuitively feel the need for lower-level explanations. Particularly missing from the piece seems to be an account of equal protection guarantees, welfare/social programs, and philanthropy. In many countries, the United States included, people with low "rank" and high "relational distance" arguably benefit the most from governmental social control; taxes are collected from people with high "rank" and low "relational distance" and used to provide food, shelter, etc. to those who need it. This kind of law complicates the relationships he's identifying to the point that he may not be able to produce a satisfying reconciliation without referencing lower-level explanations. Further, use of his model seems likely to focus on how to undo it rather than how to apply it in higher level engineering. To the extent this is true, it seems he shouldn't be so keen to exclude the underlying psychology, because that is what we'd like to change. The gas laws, by comparison, are particularly useful when stripped of the physical explanations, because the physics is immutable and hence they are immutable; they are used in an upward engineering sense.
I think it's an interesting and insightful piece, I just generally don't like the push toward behaviorism. I think it leads away from the best solutions, and, well, it offends my soul.
-- GregOrr - 05 Mar 2009 |
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CharacterizingBlacksObservations 1 - 04 Mar 2009 - Main.GregJohnson
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> > | What this is: A claim that Black’s observations (which as Moglen said today aren’t explanations) are the tip of an iceberg rather than principles themselves.
In a nutshell: Black provides top-down empirical generalizations about how law varies with social characteristics. But this is highly suggestive that there’s some bottom-up explanation in terms of more basic human tendencies. That is, his generalizations really look like they result from underlying psychological phenomena rather than merely emerging at the societal level.
Discussion, leaning improvidently on a single extended metaphor: Reading Black’s piece and listening to Moglen talk today, the analogy between Black’s observations and something from high school science kept jumping out at me.
Remember the gas laws? These were empirical observations made by European dudes experimenting with bottles and glass tubing around the 1700s to try to describe gases. Their observations (where other factors remain constant):
- Boyle’s: Pressure varies inversely with volume.
- Charles's: Volume varies directly with temperature.
- Gay-Lussac’s: Pressure varies directly with temperature.
There was no explanation why these generalizations worked: they just did. But of course one wondered. Then came kinetic theory—it’s atoms bouncing around! Do the math and it follows that although individual atoms are unpredictable, these generalizations about their big-picture behavior in groups always hold.
Now compare to some of Black’s observations:
- Law varies directly with rank.
- Centripetal law varies inversely with radial distance.
- Law varies directly with integration.
That these generalizations hold so consistently across cultures suggests that something fundamental underlies them. (Of course, Black’s observations very well might actually be emergent phenomena at the societal level—I just don’t see why to think they are.) But what does underlie these observations? What tendencies of the individuals running around might produce these big-picture results?
I’d speculate it’s the tendencies we’ve been discussing all along (following scripts, shirking from cognitive dissonance, etc.), which I tried to characterize (perhaps idiosyncratically) as decision-making rules of thumb in GregJohnsonFirstPaper.
In concluding: Does this characterization of Black's observations seem reasonable? If so, what might underlie them? If not, why might Black's observations better be characterized as something else (such as independent principles)?
-- GregJohnson - 04 Mar 2009 |
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