While I have been tracking this wiki conversation and added nothing, I have one thing to say. Regardless of how I feel about Apple (as i type this on my Macbook), law school, whether professors are "lazy" and "stupid", I appreciate Eben's commitment to us. His statement -" I do it out of commitment to and admiration for young people who are capable, through talent, hard work and sheer luck, of growing up to change the world. I'm trying to help you crack the shell of the egg that has your future self inside it. But sometimes you can't break eggs without making an omelette." indicates that he cares about us and us doing what WE WANT. The ego is a fragile thing and as many will continue to argue the merits of what he has said, whether or not he is engaging in his fight for freedom, pissing on us, the method, etc...I'll take away the fact that he actually cares. Yes, the teaching methods can be shocking and sometimes cringe-worthy, there is a clear pedagogical purpose. Instead of fighting it, take what you can, learn from it. You don't have to agree with everything but Eben is Eben, who will you be after his class? I guess I'd rather be "pissed" on (though I don't think this is what's happening) now than for the rest of my life waking up at 35 like "WTF?!". My point is simply this class should be more about you - the individual, the future practitioner - than Eben's harsh comments. Yes, the red-type is scary (though my sensibilities have yet to be offended, I'm preparing myself. ha). We can analyze and argue all day about whether he's offensive, effective, engaging in a personal agenda, but isn't that the easy thing to do? It's easier to focus on him, and your hurt feelings, instead of on what you'll do with his words and how you will use them to motivate you in order to actually be the lawyer YOU want to be (big firm, small firm, public interest, representing apes in the jungle...whatever). My suggestion (though 2 cents is all it is worth) - Be more selfish. Make this about you.

Anyways, I appreciate the fact that he took the time to respond. And while I don't feel the need to say this, since others have I will- I'm not prone to ass-kissing. I care about grades but ehh not at the expense of my sanity or dignity. It's just not that deep to me.

-- KrystalCommons - 09 Apr 2010