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IsBeingACorporateLawyerImmoral 19 - 03 Mar 2009 - Main.EstherKwak
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I think Professor Moglen once said that the concept of giving money to the poor while earning money as a corporate lawyer is all good, but it assumes that the work itself has a neutral moral value. Does that imply that being a corporate lawyer is (or could be) immoral? What is so different between being a corporate lawyer and being a blue collar worker? We respect people working in the Ford factory because they work hard to make an honest living. Aren’t they both trying to make a living to support themselves and their family? Is there more difference than their income?
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 I agree, Esther. This is a learning process for me too. The refactoring page and its offspring are up on the wiki under IsBeingACorporateLawyerImmoral2 CapitalismCorporationsAndYou, respectively.

-- LeslieHannay - 03 Mar 2009

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Leslie, I just wanted you to know that I wasn't referring to you at all by what I said in the end (if there was a misunderstanding by any chance). I was referring to the posts that attack others... I actually appreciate how you recaptured everything and added more valuable questions. =) Thanks! =)

-- EstherKwak - 03 Mar 2009

 
 
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IsBeingACorporateLawyerImmoral 18 - 03 Mar 2009 - Main.LeslieHannay
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I think Professor Moglen once said that the concept of giving money to the poor while earning money as a corporate lawyer is all good, but it assumes that the work itself has a neutral moral value. Does that imply that being a corporate lawyer is (or could be) immoral? What is so different between being a corporate lawyer and being a blue collar worker? We respect people working in the Ford factory because they work hard to make an honest living. Aren’t they both trying to make a living to support themselves and their family? Is there more difference than their income?
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 -- EstherKwak - 03 Mar 2009
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I agree, Esther. This is a learning process for me too. The refactoring page and its offspring are up on the wiki under IsBeingACorporateLawyerImmoral2 CapitalismCorporationsAndYou, respectively.

-- LeslieHannay - 03 Mar 2009

 
 
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IsBeingACorporateLawyerImmoral 17 - 03 Mar 2009 - Main.EstherKwak
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I think Professor Moglen once said that the concept of giving money to the poor while earning money as a corporate lawyer is all good, but it assumes that the work itself has a neutral moral value. Does that imply that being a corporate lawyer is (or could be) immoral? What is so different between being a corporate lawyer and being a blue collar worker? We respect people working in the Ford factory because they work hard to make an honest living. Aren’t they both trying to make a living to support themselves and their family? Is there more difference than their income?
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 A simple "good job" would have conveyed as much.

-- JonathanGuerra - 03 Mar 2009

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Thank you Leslie, for fixing it and letting us see the old post. Thank you Michael. Since I still don't know how wiki operates fully, I was freaking out a little bit, thinking what everyone wrote was completely deleted when it no longer appeared on the website and was replaced with Leslie's summary. I think we value and get attached to what we have written, no matter how "substantive" it was. I am guessing Young's reaction was similar to mine. Having said that, I think we should be a little politer to each other, and try to minimize attacking others.

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IsBeingACorporateLawyerImmoral 16 - 03 Mar 2009 - Main.JonathanGuerra
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I think Professor Moglen once said that the concept of giving money to the poor while earning money as a corporate lawyer is all good, but it assumes that the work itself has a neutral moral value. Does that imply that being a corporate lawyer is (or could be) immoral? What is so different between being a corporate lawyer and being a blue collar worker? We respect people working in the Ford factory because they work hard to make an honest living. Aren’t they both trying to make a living to support themselves and their family? Is there more difference than their income?
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 For what it's worth, I thought the refactoring was really good. Refactoring doesn't get rid of people's words because you can always just look at previous revisions of the page if you want to see what people originally said in their own words. Just log in and go to "Diffs" in the black bar at the top right of the page.

-- MichaelDreibelbis - 03 Mar 2009

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Well done Leslie. People tend to vomit words, and a summary such as yours is useful to determine whether something of substance was actually said. The exchange of ideas is made more difficult with verbosity such as this:

"I think this summary adequately captures a discussion that had probably become too cumbersome and off-topic to navigate. I certainly don't think you've mischaracterized anything."

A simple "good job" would have conveyed as much.

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IsBeingACorporateLawyerImmoral 15 - 03 Mar 2009 - Main.MichaelDreibelbis
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I think Professor Moglen once said that the concept of giving money to the poor while earning money as a corporate lawyer is all good, but it assumes that the work itself has a neutral moral value. Does that imply that being a corporate lawyer is (or could be) immoral? What is so different between being a corporate lawyer and being a blue collar worker? We respect people working in the Ford factory because they work hard to make an honest living. Aren’t they both trying to make a living to support themselves and their family? Is there more difference than their income?
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 Quite right - sorry for the wiki blunder. I guess I am still a bit fuzzy on how refactoring works. Here's the thread in its entirety. The summary thread is now called IsBeingACorporateLawyerImmoral2.
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For what it's worth, I thought the refactoring was really good. Refactoring doesn't get rid of people's words because you can always just look at previous revisions of the page if you want to see what people originally said in their own words. Just log in and go to "Diffs" in the black bar at the top right of the page.

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