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 The steps needed to fulfill the second goal are clearer and easier/more likely to be taken than those for the first. An immediate drastic overhaul is neither necessary nor realistic. While the curve and letter grades seem firmly entrenched, there are other possibilities for loosening the restraints. Smaller changes like having half your grade be determined from assignments given over the course of the semester or requiring that some group work be a part of the evaluation are already in place in some courses/clinics available through the school and are generally praised as being conducive to learning. It would not be too much of a stretch to apply these changes to larger survey-type courses. Baby steps like these need not even be implemented across the school and would send the message that both the students and the faculty are at least thinking about ways to enhance the system.

The first problem is more complicated and would seem to require a more fundamental shift in approach by both teachers and students. It would take acknowledgement from both that the relationship should extend beyond the current class and subject matter and that success could likely only be recognized a few years down the road. An evaluation system that looked at the future career satisfaction could provide good information, but would be difficult to make work. Ideally, recognition and discussion of the issue would lead to changes without the addition of any major carrots or sticks.

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* Veblen didn't help here. Your points are straightforward and not very interesting, even to you, but trying to dress them up as though they came from The Theory of the Leisure Class doesn't help. If you are interested in what Thorstein Veblen thought about these issues, you might want to look at his book The Higher Learning in America (1919).

  • So far as your argument here is concerned, you have married a statement that is true (whatever teaching effectiveness is, teaching effectiveness is not the primary objective of Columbia's law professors), with the unactionable proposition that it should be different, and the practical claim that "the grading curve and the anonymity requirement completely detach individual growth and response to teacher input from the evaluation process," which is false. Taken together, the result of the analysis is a few petty suggestions that you don't even suppose could be uniformly implemented. It doesn't come to much.

  • Getting the details realistically right perhaps doesn't matter. Anonymous grading is a fiction here, because once it is announced that class participation counts, teachers can and must review the roster before grades are released. So it's not the so-called "anonymity" that produces the decoupling, it's an issue of individual instructor behavior. The curve, for reasons I have already given too many times, is a paper tiger hollow army charming fiction complete irrelevance student bogeyman utter bullshit. But in the end, you're really only making a couple of unquestionably sensible proposals about how to change the way large courses work, and in doing so you're only asking for a few hours of instructor time to be reallocated. This would be a sensible thing to ask within the context of an individual course, in the construction of each semester's workflow with each teacher. In particular, because I am already offering you that sort of workflow, you would think it would have made sense to take advantage of it by writing and learning something about law, rather than doing more complaining about law school.
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In our discussion of Theory of the Leisure Class, it was emphasized that Veblen is purportedly not making value judgments about what things people choose to consume, but proposing a framework for analyzing which social institutions survive and what they have in common. One institution that we’ve been particularly concerned with is the law school. Several aspects of the current system (the aura of competition discouraging collaboration and the grading curve for example) can possibly be seen as elements that do little to promote education, but persist because they serve as pathways through which students can seek and demonstrate prestige. We haven’t explored in quite as much detail the consumption of another participant in the institution – the professor. Looking at what professors consume can help clarify how their interests are not well aligned with those of the students and identify ways in which that mismatch can be corrected.
 
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Topic- Leff’s idea about examining the roles created in making deals is both essential and difficult to apply to the problem of evaluating whether your own actions are a “swindle or a sale”.

 
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In the excerpts from Swindling and Selling that we read, Leff approaches the question of what should be classified as a “swindle” and a “sale” by examining how different sales techniques allow buyers and sellers to fill sociological needs and roles. Although the ultimate conclusion seems to be that the distinction is illusionary, the process is still effective in exploring the motivations behind the deals. Applying this analysis to oneself would be useful in attempting to answer one of the themes of this class, “How does one go about determining what it is that they want to do with their life?”
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Professors are inclined to consume the “wrong” things

 
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Subsection A- A personal judgment of the value of your actions is vital to being satisfied with your life.

 
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A few people pointed out during the discussion of Robinson’s Metamorphosis that Robinson isn’t particularly happy. Despite his adherence to his principles and his comfort in his niche, Robinson seems both to loathe the system that he works in so artfully and to have resigned himself to believing that this is the best that he can do within its confines. His dependence on the niche that he has carved out can be seen as a devotion to a type of deal where he is a semi-monopolist provider of the ability to solve legal problems. Thus, he is most comfortable working in situations where he perceives his buyers as needing him more than he needs them, a tendency that is reflected in his somewhat self-righteous demeanor. Robinson abides by his principle in order to keep himself in this position and while this helps to make him an effective lawyer, his frequent diatribes on the injustice of the system itself indicate that this technique ignores an aspect of his self that wishes to deal with those injustices.
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It is a harsh reality that from college onwards, teachers are not judged primarily on the progress of their students. While I am no expert on the hiring policies of universities and graduate schools, it seems that professors are most sought after for their accomplishments outside of the classroom- publications, prior practice history, notoriety. If these are the characteristics most highly prized by schools in employing professors, it makes sense that they would concentrate the bulk of their effort towards improving those attributes. Unfortunately having the most citations in a journal or being an advisor to the largest corporation likely does little to improve the ability to educate well. In any case, if the goal is a better learning environment, pursuing greater prestige is almost certainly less efficient than spending some time studying effective teaching methods.
 
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This is not to say that seeking out situations where you are the monopolist seller, or indeed exclusively using any type of relationship, is bad in and of itself- merely that Robinson’s method is not entirely successful for him. Whether you call it justice, or guilt, or just personal preference, each individual will have a different set of relational archetypes that they feel most fulfilled in utilizing. Discerning your own predilections should help to shed light on how to avoid the dissatisfaction that plagues Robinson.
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While too much time may be spent chasing exterior status, the effort that goes to pursuing esteem within the classroom is often misplaced. Professors want to signal their teaching prowess to their immediate peers and their pupils, but the means by which they do so is not likely to help students much. The size of classes, emphasis (at least in 1L classes) on learning specific abstract doctrine, and anonymous grading requirement combine to mean that professors often have little idea about how one particular student is faring. Since they cannot concentrate on the individual, they attempt to appeal to the group as a whole. This often takes the form of focusing on preparing the best one and half hour presentation rather than the best facilitation of learning. Students are complicit in this as well- when asking for reasons why a certain professor is “popular” the response usually includes that they keep class entertaining. While holding the attention of the class is an important part of teaching, it should be a tool to get students to think rather than a goal in and of itself.
 
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Subsection B- Bias and an inability to comprehend one’s true motivations for undertaking any action make pursuing a concrete judgment difficult.

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A problem arises here when putting these ideas towards a practical use. Leff’s examples mostly approach deals and relationships from the viewpoint of an objective observer, the aim being to determine the nature of the deal based on what the parties are trying to get out of the relationship. However, it is not a given that either a buyer or seller would be most satisfied with a legitimate sale rather than the swindle. In fact, the psychological analysis that Leff proffers implies that one of the most attractive aspects of a deal is the feeling that you are coming out on top of the other party- a sentiment that is not exclusive to either the deal or the swindle. As a result, an impartial categorization of the deal doesn’t provide much information as to whether you should seek out this type of relationship.
 
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The socio-psychological method’s most revealing idea, that the gulf between a swindle and a scam is non-existent, is limiting because this revelation admits that the method is unable to give a positive evaluation of the deal. It is illuminating in explaining why events occur, but says little about whether they ought to. You essentially have to wait for the deal’s aftermath in order to say if its occurrence was a good thing. This is further complicated by the fact that the outcome is not necessarily determined by the path that any one person chooses. Social interactions are so interrelated and interdependent that their results are variable enough to make looking at them a poor measure of whether the actions that caused them were “correct”. In the end, understanding how you got to a certain point doesn’t say much about where you should go next.
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Despite the possibility that their priorities with respect to teaching may be less than ideal, professors do in fact care about their students. No doubt the faculty at Columbia could succeed in any number of legal capacities and a large part of the reason why they are here is because they actually enjoy teaching. However, within the confines of the current system it can be difficult to find an outlet to express this because markers of student improvement are so ill-defined. Students can clamor for more feedback and personalized attention, but certain aspects of the system intrinsically prevent this from occurring.
 
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As previously mentioned, the grading curve and the anonymity requirement completely detach individual growth and response to teacher input from the evaluation process. Furthermore, the curriculums and syllabi are designed with the primary objective of covering certain required materials, which doesn’t lend itself to adapting to how students are performing. While this is not a difficulty endemic to law school, it is particularly concerning in the legal setting where non-quantitative goals like learning how to approach legal questions and how to “think like a lawyer” are at least as important as memorizing doctrine. Unless some of these systemic restrictions are removed, it is difficult to even say what we would like professors to do differently
 
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Section C- Awareness of this problem is nevertheless helpful because a definitive answer isn’t necessary to inspire and effectuate change.

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The real value in Leff’s ideas lies not in explaining what occurred, but in revealing more of the influential factors than are usually considered. Trite as it may sound, awareness of these factors can raise the level of self-awareness and prompt more frequent and knowledgeable self-evaluation. Even if I don’t have an answer as to whether the play that I am following is “good” or “bad”, just the awareness that I do not exercise as great a deal of control of my actions as I normally believe is cause to stop and scrutinize the action. One benefit to doing this more often is to help one realize that there is more than one path to take. No matter if your current course is good or bad, pausing and examining how you got there at least means that you can choose whether to continue.
 
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My biggest problem with Leff’s approach is that it leaves me somewhat fearful: I don’t feel that it can give me an affirmative yes or no as to whether I’ve done the right thing in the past and it doesn’t offer much guidance for what to do in the future. It may be this lack of certainty that helps to explain my inherent resistance to those ideas. On the other hand, it is a somewhat liberating concept because it implies that there is no single right road to take. If nothing else, it imparts the possibility that future decisions can be better inform- which is an outcome that doesn’t seem to have any negatives.
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In order to improve the system, we should: 1) create incentives whereby the performance of a professor’s students is directly linked to their prestige and 2) rework the system’s overall structure to better facilitate professors to pursue those incentives.
 
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The steps needed to fulfill the second goal are clearer and easier/more likely to be taken than those for the first. An immediate drastic overhaul is neither necessary nor realistic. While the curve and letter grades seem firmly entrenched, there are other possibilities for loosening the restraints. Smaller changes like having half your grade be determined from assignments given over the course of the semester or requiring that some group work be a part of the evaluation are already in place in some courses/clinics available through the school and are generally praised as being conducive to learning. It would not be too much of a stretch to apply these changes to larger survey-type courses. Baby steps like these need not even be implemented across the school and would send the message that both the students and the faculty are at least thinking about ways to enhance the system.
 
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The first problem is more complicated and would seem to require a more fundamental shift in approach by both teachers and students. It would take acknowledgement from both that the relationship should extend beyond the current class and subject matter and that success could likely only be recognized a few years down the road. An evaluation system that looked at the future career satisfaction could provide good information, but would be difficult to make work. Ideally, recognition and discussion of the issue would lead to changes without the addition of any major carrots or sticks.

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It is strongly recommended that you include your outline in the body of your essay by using the outline as section titles. The headings below are there to remind you how section and subsection titles are formatted.
 

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In the excerpts from Swindling and Selling that we read, Leff approaches the question of what should be classified as a “swindle” and a “sale” by examining how different sales techniques allow buyers and sellers to fill sociological needs and roles. Although the ultimate conclusion seems to be that the distinction is illusionary, the process is still effective in exploring the motivations behind the deals. Applying this analysis to oneself would be useful in attempting to answer one of the themes of this class, “How does one go about determining what it is that they want to do with their life?”
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In the excerpts from Swindling and Selling that we read, Leff approaches the question of what should be classified as a “swindle” and a “sale” by examining how different sales techniques allow buyers and sellers to fill sociological needs and roles. Although the ultimate conclusion seems to be that the distinction is illusionary, the process is still effective in exploring the motivations behind the deals. Applying this analysis to oneself would be useful in attempting to answer one of the themes of this class, “How does one go about determining what it is that they want to do with their life?”

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Subsection A- A personal judgment of the value of your actions is vital to being satisfied with your life.

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Subsection A- A personal judgment of the value of your actions is vital to being satisfied with your life.

A few people pointed out during the discussion of Robinson’s Metamorphosis that Robinson isn’t particularly happy. Despite his adherence to his principles and his comfort in his niche, Robinson seems both to loathe the system that he works in so artfully and to have resigned himself to believing that this is the best that he can do within its confines. His dependence on the niche that he has carved out can be seen as a devotion to a type of deal where he is a semi-monopolist provider of the ability to solve legal problems. Thus, he is most comfortable working in situations where he perceives his buyers as needing him more than he needs them, a tendency that is reflected in his somewhat self-righteous demeanor. Robinson abides by his principle in order to keep himself in this position and while this helps to make him an effective lawyer, his frequent diatribes on the injustice of the system itself indicate that this technique ignores an aspect of his self that wishes to deal with those injustices.

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  This is not to say that seeking out situations where you are the monopolist seller, or indeed exclusively using any type of relationship, is bad in and of itself- merely that Robinson’s method is not entirely successful for him. Whether you call it justice, or guilt, or just personal preference, each individual will have a different set of relational archetypes that they feel most fulfilled in utilizing. Discerning your own predilections should help to shed light on how to avoid the dissatisfaction that plagues Robinson.
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Subsection B- Bias and an inability to comprehend one’s true motivations for undertaking any action make pursuing a concrete judgment difficult.

A problem arises here when putting these ideas towards a practical use. Leff’s examples mostly approach deals and relationships from the viewpoint of an objective observer, the aim being to determine the nature of the deal based on what the parties are trying to get out of the relationship. However, it is not a given that either a buyer or seller would be most satisfied with a legitimate sale rather than the swindle. In fact, the psychological analysis that Leff proffers implies that one of the most attractive aspects of a deal is the feeling that you are coming out on top of the other party- a sentiment that is not exclusive to either the deal or the swindle. As a result, an impartial categorization of the deal doesn’t provide much information as to whether you should seek out this type of relationship.

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Subsection B- Bias and an inability to comprehend one’s true motivations for undertaking any action make pursuing a concrete judgment difficult.

A problem arises here when putting these ideas towards a practical use. Leff’s examples mostly approach deals and relationships from the viewpoint of an objective observer, the aim being to determine the nature of the deal based on what the parties are trying to get out of the relationship. However, it is not a given that either a buyer or seller would be most satisfied with a legitimate sale rather than the swindle. In fact, the psychological analysis that Leff proffers implies that one of the most attractive aspects of a deal is the feeling that you are coming out on top of the other party- a sentiment that is not exclusive to either the deal or the swindle. As a result, an impartial categorization of the deal doesn’t provide much information as to whether you should seek out this type of relationship.

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 The socio-psychological method’s most revealing idea, that the gulf between a swindle and a scam is non-existent, is limiting because this revelation admits that the method is unable to give a positive evaluation of the deal. It is illuminating in explaining why events occur, but says little about whether they ought to. You essentially have to wait for the deal’s aftermath in order to say if its occurrence was a good thing. This is further complicated by the fact that the outcome is not necessarily determined by the path that any one person chooses. Social interactions are so interrelated and interdependent that their results are variable enough to make looking at them a poor measure of whether the actions that caused them were “correct”. In the end, understanding how you got to a certain point doesn’t say much about where you should go next.
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  • This section makes no sense to me. Even the section title seems to me opaque. Why is it hard to "pursue a judgment"? (Does that mean to execute a plan?) Or does this mean it's hard to make decisions? What any of this has to do with Leff isn't even slightly clear to me.
 

Section C- Awareness of this problem is nevertheless helpful because a definitive answer isn’t necessary to inspire and effectuate change.

The real value in Leff’s ideas lies not in explaining what occurred, but in revealing more of the influential factors than are usually considered. Trite as it may sound, awareness of these factors can raise the level of self-awareness and prompt more frequent and knowledgeable self-evaluation. Even if I don’t have an answer as to whether the play that I am following is “good” or “bad”, just the awareness that I do not exercise as great a deal of control of my actions as I normally believe is cause to stop and scrutinize the action. One benefit to doing this more often is to help one realize that there is more than one path to take. No matter if your current course is good or bad, pausing and examining how you got there at least means that you can choose whether to continue.

My biggest problem with Leff’s approach is that it leaves me somewhat fearful: I don’t feel that it can give me an affirmative yes or no as to whether I’ve done the right thing in the past and it doesn’t offer much guidance for what to do in the future. It may be this lack of certainty that helps to explain my inherent resistance to those ideas. On the other hand, it is a somewhat liberating concept because it implies that there is no single right road to take. If nothing else, it imparts the possibility that future decisions can be better inform- which is an outcome that doesn’t seem to have any negatives.

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Topic- Leff’s idea about examining the roles created in making deals is both essential and difficult to apply to the problem of evaluating whether your own actions are a “swindle or a sale”.

In the excerpts from Swindling and Selling that we read, Leff approaches the question of what should be classified as a “swindle” and a “sale” by examining how different sales techniques allow buyers and sellers to fill sociological needs and roles. Although the ultimate conclusion seems to be that the distinction is illusionary, the process is still effective in exploring the motivations behind the deals. Applying this analysis to oneself would be useful in attempting to answer one of the themes of this class, “How does one go about determining what it is that they want to do with their life?”

Subsection A- A personal judgment of the value of your actions is vital to being satisfied with your life.

A few people pointed out during the discussion of Robinson’s Metamorphosis that Robinson isn’t particularly happy. Despite his adherence to his principles and his comfort in his niche, Robinson seems both to loathe the system that he works in so artfully and to have resigned himself to believing that this is the best that he can do within its confines. His dependence on the niche that he has carved out can be seen as a devotion to a type of deal where he is a semi-monopolist provider of the ability to solve legal problems. Thus, he is most comfortable working in situations where he perceives his buyers as needing him more than he needs them, a tendency that is reflected in his somewhat self-righteous demeanor. Robinson abides by his principle in order to keep himself in this position and while this helps to make him an effective lawyer, his frequent diatribes on the injustice of the system itself indicate that this technique ignores an aspect of his self that wishes to deal with those injustices. This is not to say that seeking out situations where you are the monopolist seller, or indeed exclusively using any type of relationship, is bad in and of itself- merely that Robinson’s method is not entirely successful for him. Whether you call it justice, or guilt, or just personal preference, each individual will have a different set of relational archetypes that they feel most fulfilled in utilizing. Discerning your own predilections should help to shed light on how to avoid the dissatisfaction that plagues Robinson.

Subsection B- Bias and an inability to comprehend one’s true motivations for undertaking any action make pursuing a concrete judgment difficult.

A problem arises here when putting these ideas towards a practical use. Leff’s examples mostly approach deals and relationships from the viewpoint of an objective observer, the aim being to determine the nature of the deal based on what the parties are trying to get out of the relationship. However, it is not a given that either a buyer or seller would be most satisfied with a legitimate sale rather than the swindle. In fact, the psychological analysis that Leff proffers implies that one of the most attractive aspects of a deal is the feeling that you are coming out on top of the other party- a sentiment that is not exclusive to either the deal or the swindle. As a result, an impartial categorization of the deal doesn’t provide much information as to whether you should seek out this type of relationship. The socio-psychological method’s most revealing idea, that the gulf between a swindle and a scam is non-existent, is limiting because this revelation admits that the method is unable to give a positive evaluation of the deal. It is illuminating in explaining why events occur, but says little about whether they ought to. You essentially have to wait for the deal’s aftermath in order to say if its occurrence was a good thing. This is further complicated by the fact that the outcome is not necessarily determined by the path that any one person chooses. Social interactions are so interrelated and interdependent that their results are variable enough to make looking at them a poor measure of whether the actions that caused them were “correct”. In the end, understanding how you got to a certain point doesn’t say much about where you should go next.

Section C- Awareness of this problem is nevertheless helpful because a definitive answer isn’t necessary to inspire and effectuate change.

The real value in Leff’s ideas lies not in explaining what occurred, but in revealing more of the influential factors than are usually considered. Trite as it may sound, awareness of these factors can raise the level of self-awareness and prompt more frequent and knowledgeable self-evaluation. Even if I don’t have an answer as to whether the play that I am following is “good” or “bad”, just the awareness that I do not exercise as great a deal of control of my actions as I normally believe is cause to stop and scrutinize the action. One benefit to doing this more often is to help one realize that there is more than one path to take. No matter if your current course is good or bad, pausing and examining how you got there at least means that you can choose whether to continue.

My biggest problem with Leff’s approach is that it leaves me somewhat fearful: I don’t feel that it can give me an affirmative yes or no as to whether I’ve done the right thing in the past and it doesn’t offer much guidance for what to do in the future. It may be this lack of certainty that helps to explain my inherent resistance to those ideas. On the other hand, it is a somewhat liberating concept because it implies that there is no single right road to take. If nothing else, it imparts the possibility that future decisions can be better inform- which is an outcome that doesn’t seem to have any negatives.


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