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< < | -- By KensingNg - 24 Apr 2012 | > > | -- By KensingNg - 24 Aug 2012 | | My favorite line from this course is probably: "we are kind to the rich, and just to the poor". I understand this line to be suggesting the presence of institutionalized economic discrimination in favor of the rich against the poor. | | Drawing upon the discussion of personal racism versus institutionalized white supremacy, one can analogize that institutionalized economic discrimination can, even in the absence of individuals exhibiting a personal preference for rich people, help the rich at the expense of the poor. Institutionalization (as I understand it) is the collection of laws and societal rules which favor a particular ideology. Once an idea has been institutionalized, it need no longer remain in the minds of the people in order to take effect. The institutionalization of an idea can help encourage its spread by integrating the idea into societal norms that people then internalize, but even if people do not personally believe in the institutionalized idea their loyalty to the system as a whole might be sufficient to induce them to enforce the idea. | |
< < | Or, perhaps we could take the approach used by Aristotle, as I mentioned, which you will find in the third book of the Politics:
[W]hether in oligarchies
or in democracies, the number of the governing body, whether the
greater number, as in a democracy, or the smaller number, as in an
oligarchy, is an accident due to the fact that the rich everywhere
are few, and the poor numerous. ... [T]he real difference between
democracy and oligarchy is poverty and wealth. Wherever men rule by
reason of their wealth, whether they be few or many, that is an
oligarchy, and where the poor rule, that is a
democracy.
Or, we could call the situation you are describing "class struggle."
We could then have an approach to social history based on describing
the phases of this struggle under changing material conditions of
life, and an ethical theory of history based on the effort to
establish democracy. This would be a very important intellectual
development in human civilization, among the most important of the
last 200 years, which we would call "Marx."
Is there an advantage in calling this "Institutionalization of Economic Discrimination," and hiding from the reader (perhaps even from ourselves) the 2,500-year history of political ideas that lies behind it?
| | How Does The Institutionalization of Economic Discrimination Manifest Itself? | |
< < | Institutionalization of economic discrimination can be seen in certain laws and legal concepts. For instance, the system of property ownership protects those with property, giving an advantage to the rich (who simply have more property than the poor). Many other legal fields, such as contract law, focus on the importance of encouraging economic growth and development. In Kelo v. City of New London, the courts determined that economic growth was sufficient to allow for the government to exercise eminent domain on behalf of a developer. Through access to greater economic resources, the wealthy are often able to create more economic growth than the poor, and are thus favored. In addition to helping the rich, laws are often reluctant to help the poor. San Antonio School District v. Rodriguez noted that there was no reason for the court to invalidate a law tying public education funding to local property taxes, since "at least where wealth is involved, the Equal Protection Clause does not require absolute equality or precisely equal advantages." The unequal advantages are the root of institutionalized economic discrimination.
But did anyone ever
actually think that the Constitution prohibited capitalism?
To say that class struggle "can be seen in certain laws and legal
concepts" is like saying that physics can be seen in certain aspects
of household plumbing. It's accurate, because physics can be seen in
every aspect of the universe. It's deceptive, because through
grotesque underinclusion it makes physics appear to be about
plumbing. The ideas we call "Darwin" can be seen in the shit of a
beetle, but they're not about beetle shit. The ideas we call "Marx"
can be seen in the US Reports, but they're not about law. This is a confusion between base and superstructure, as described by Marx in the Preface to A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy.
| > > | Institutionalization of economic discrimination can be seen in certain laws and legal concepts. For instance, the system of property ownership protects those with property, giving an advantage to the rich (who simply have more property than the poor). Many other legal fields, such as contract law, focus on the importance of encouraging economic growth and development. In Kelo v. City of New London, the courts determined that economic growth was sufficient to allow for the government to exercise eminent domain on behalf of a developer. Through access to greater economic resources, the wealthy are often able to create more economic growth than the poor, and are thus favored. In addition to helping the rich, laws are often reluctant to help the poor. San Antonio School District v. Rodriguez noted that there was no reason for the court to invalidate a law tying public education funding to local property taxes, since "at least where wealth is involved, the Equal Protection Clause does not require absolute equality or precisely equal advantages." | | Furthermore, the procedural process of the legal system is favorable to the rich. Defenders of the status quo sometimes defend the system by asserting that, since lawyers themselves aren’t fit to judge the facts or law of the case, they simply argue vigorously for their client and thereby give them a fair chance to state their case before a jury or a judge who will decide the facts or the law. However, this system only gives a fair hearing to both sides if it is assumed that the lawyers are equally competent. In reality, some lawyers are far more capable than others. These lawyers tend to command higher fees on the legal market, and therefore end up working for the wealthy who can afford their services. The end result is that poor people tend to get lower quality legal representation than rich people. While this is by no means always the case (skilled lawyers may choose to work pro bono or to represent less wealthy clients) it tends to be that the legal market prices quality legal services at a level that only the rich can afford. | |
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Is this a primary
mechanism or a peripheral example?
Is This The Institutionalization of Economic Discrimination, Or Just The Harshness of Reality?
One counterargument to the idea of institutionalized economic discrimination is that we are simply seeing the natural results of wealth. People with money simply can afford more things, including legal services. The rich have more advantages not because of institutional support to the rich, but simply because they are richer. Rather than helping the rich to the detriment of the poor, law is simply letting the rich reap their natural advantages of wealth, which in turn gives them greater opportunities than the poor.
This is just the inevitable confusion arising from the category error
already noted. Class oppression of the poor by the rich occurs at
the base of the social system, and is reflected throughout the
cultural superstructure, including in the law. Class struggle
therefore involves social revolution, whether the rich are destroying
democracy or the poor are instituting it.
The problem with this justification for inequality is that law is inherently dedicated to removing natural processes that we deem to be unjust. A strong murderer is naturally able to overwhelm and murder a weaker victim, but everyone would generally agree that the law should intervene to protect the victim. In that same way, it is not absurd to suggest that the law should intervene to protect people who are economically weak. It would be impossible to have an absence of institutionalized ideas; we must choose to either prevent or allow natural processes. By allowing the rich to use their power to the disadvantage of the poor, society is showing a preference for the interests of the rich: an institutionalization of economic discrimination against the poor. Insofar as people believe that economic discrimination against the poor should not be institutionalized, they must work to change society's well-ingrained systems and beliefs. | > > | Where Does Institutionalization Come From? | | | |
< < | | > > | The idea that laws and societal rules would favor a particular ideology conforms well with Marx’s theory that a society’s economic system influences its legal and political superstructure. Marx predicted that laws and government systems would be created so as to sustain the economic relations required by a society’s economic system; however, over time, these relations would turn into “fetters”. The legal and political superstructure that was created to sustain the modern economy system of capitalism requires institutionalized economic discrimination. | | | |
< < | So, is what we gain by ignoring the political theory the opportunity
to pretend that law can cease imposing injustice without the
institution of democracy? | > > | Is It Class Warfare? | | | |
< < | I disagree with David Hirsch's unsigned comment below. I think this
draft is ineffective because it leads your reader away from the
larger ideas, into losing the forest for the trees. I think the
route to improvement is to figure out what you are saying in the
larger context that has attached to your idea over the past 2,500
years or so. | > > | Once the relations of an economic turn into fetters, economic discrimination is necessary to ensure that power remains in the hands of the upper class. However, this is not necessarily a form of class warfare. Class warfare occurs when a class unites in favor of its interests against another class. Institutionalized economic discrimination could certainly be a form of class warfare, if it were used either by a unified economic group (capital), or if it were opposed by a unified economic group (labor). But ironically, institutionalized economic discrimination works to neutralize class warfare. People buy into the economic discrimination not because it’s in favor of their economic interests, but rather because they have been raised to believe in it. As a result, institutionalized economic discrimination co-opts members of the labor class to assist in the perpetuation of the current legal and political superstructure, thereby keeping capitalism alive and viable as an economic model. It is perhaps this mechanism which has prevented the proletariat from achieving class-consciousness and rising up, as Marx had predicted would occur. | | | |
< < | | > > | Is There A Way Around This? | | | |
< < | Kensing- | > > | In detailing the various forms of government, Aristotle discussed the idea of a constitutional government as one where rich and poor are given equal power and protection. He also noted two “perversions” of constitutional government: oligarchies where the rich ruled, and democracies where the poor ruled. Based on the presence of institutionalized economic discrimination, it is not a great stretch to conclude that we currently live in an oligarchy. A democracy as Aristotle describes it may not be completely sustainable, because if power and wealth tend to go hand in hand, so a democracy where the poor rule may be short-lived (either because the rich take back power, or the powerful poor acquire wealth). | | | |
< < | This was quite effective. You might want to address the most common argument justifying many of these policies; namely that the rich are more talented and hardworking than the poor (see the recent Wall Street Journal editorial). For me, cases like San Antonio School District v. Rodriguez highlight the fact that we actively use the law to deny the poor an equal opportunity. Was there a good reason, other than tradition, for school funding to come from property taxes within the district rather than general funds from the state? | | \ No newline at end of file | |
> > | This leaves the option of a government whereby rich citizens and poor citizens alike are equal. Going back to Marx’s idea that a society’s superstructure is based off it’s economic model, such a government would require an model where the economic relations do not put any one individual over another. This would essentially require a society to not distinguish between capital and labor, which would mean that the means of production and labor would need to be spread among all citizens equally. Thus, communism would be an effective basis for a society where rich and poor could be truly equal. |
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._ | | Drawing upon the discussion of personal racism versus institutionalized white supremacy, one can analogize that institutionalized economic discrimination can, even in the absence of individuals exhibiting a personal preference for rich people, help the rich at the expense of the poor. Institutionalization (as I understand it) is the collection of laws and societal rules which favor a particular ideology. Once an idea has been institutionalized, it need no longer remain in the minds of the people in order to take effect. The institutionalization of an idea can help encourage its spread by integrating the idea into societal norms that people then internalize, but even if people do not personally believe in the institutionalized idea their loyalty to the system as a whole might be sufficient to induce them to enforce the idea. | |
> > | Or, perhaps we could take the approach used by Aristotle, as I mentioned, which you will find in the third book of the Politics:
[W]hether in oligarchies
or in democracies, the number of the governing body, whether the
greater number, as in a democracy, or the smaller number, as in an
oligarchy, is an accident due to the fact that the rich everywhere
are few, and the poor numerous. ... [T]he real difference between
democracy and oligarchy is poverty and wealth. Wherever men rule by
reason of their wealth, whether they be few or many, that is an
oligarchy, and where the poor rule, that is a
democracy.
Or, we could call the situation you are describing "class struggle."
We could then have an approach to social history based on describing
the phases of this struggle under changing material conditions of
life, and an ethical theory of history based on the effort to
establish democracy. This would be a very important intellectual
development in human civilization, among the most important of the
last 200 years, which we would call "Marx."
Is there an advantage in calling this "Institutionalization of Economic Discrimination," and hiding from the reader (perhaps even from ourselves) the 2,500-year history of political ideas that lies behind it?
| | How Does The Institutionalization of Economic Discrimination Manifest Itself?
Institutionalization of economic discrimination can be seen in certain laws and legal concepts. For instance, the system of property ownership protects those with property, giving an advantage to the rich (who simply have more property than the poor). Many other legal fields, such as contract law, focus on the importance of encouraging economic growth and development. In Kelo v. City of New London, the courts determined that economic growth was sufficient to allow for the government to exercise eminent domain on behalf of a developer. Through access to greater economic resources, the wealthy are often able to create more economic growth than the poor, and are thus favored. In addition to helping the rich, laws are often reluctant to help the poor. San Antonio School District v. Rodriguez noted that there was no reason for the court to invalidate a law tying public education funding to local property taxes, since "at least where wealth is involved, the Equal Protection Clause does not require absolute equality or precisely equal advantages." The unequal advantages are the root of institutionalized economic discrimination. | |
> > | But did anyone ever
actually think that the Constitution prohibited capitalism?
To say that class struggle "can be seen in certain laws and legal
concepts" is like saying that physics can be seen in certain aspects
of household plumbing. It's accurate, because physics can be seen in
every aspect of the universe. It's deceptive, because through
grotesque underinclusion it makes physics appear to be about
plumbing. The ideas we call "Darwin" can be seen in the shit of a
beetle, but they're not about beetle shit. The ideas we call "Marx"
can be seen in the US Reports, but they're not about law. This is a confusion between base and superstructure, as described by Marx in the Preface to A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy.
| | Furthermore, the procedural process of the legal system is favorable to the rich. Defenders of the status quo sometimes defend the system by asserting that, since lawyers themselves aren’t fit to judge the facts or law of the case, they simply argue vigorously for their client and thereby give them a fair chance to state their case before a jury or a judge who will decide the facts or the law. However, this system only gives a fair hearing to both sides if it is assumed that the lawyers are equally competent. In reality, some lawyers are far more capable than others. These lawyers tend to command higher fees on the legal market, and therefore end up working for the wealthy who can afford their services. The end result is that poor people tend to get lower quality legal representation than rich people. While this is by no means always the case (skilled lawyers may choose to work pro bono or to represent less wealthy clients) it tends to be that the legal market prices quality legal services at a level that only the rich can afford. | |
> > |
Is this a primary
mechanism or a peripheral example?
| | Is This The Institutionalization of Economic Discrimination, Or Just The Harshness of Reality?
One counterargument to the idea of institutionalized economic discrimination is that we are simply seeing the natural results of wealth. People with money simply can afford more things, including legal services. The rich have more advantages not because of institutional support to the rich, but simply because they are richer. Rather than helping the rich to the detriment of the poor, law is simply letting the rich reap their natural advantages of wealth, which in turn gives them greater opportunities than the poor. | |
> > |
This is just the inevitable confusion arising from the category error
already noted. Class oppression of the poor by the rich occurs at
the base of the social system, and is reflected throughout the
cultural superstructure, including in the law. Class struggle
therefore involves social revolution, whether the rich are destroying
democracy or the poor are instituting it.
| | The problem with this justification for inequality is that law is inherently dedicated to removing natural processes that we deem to be unjust. A strong murderer is naturally able to overwhelm and murder a weaker victim, but everyone would generally agree that the law should intervene to protect the victim. In that same way, it is not absurd to suggest that the law should intervene to protect people who are economically weak. It would be impossible to have an absence of institutionalized ideas; we must choose to either prevent or allow natural processes. By allowing the rich to use their power to the disadvantage of the poor, society is showing a preference for the interests of the rich: an institutionalization of economic discrimination against the poor. Insofar as people believe that economic discrimination against the poor should not be institutionalized, they must work to change society's well-ingrained systems and beliefs. | |
> > |
So, is what we gain by ignoring the political theory the opportunity
to pretend that law can cease imposing injustice without the
institution of democracy?
I disagree with David Hirsch's unsigned comment below. I think this
draft is ineffective because it leads your reader away from the
larger ideas, into losing the forest for the trees. I think the
route to improvement is to figure out what you are saying in the
larger context that has attached to your idea over the past 2,500
years or so.
| | Kensing-
This was quite effective. You might want to address the most common argument justifying many of these policies; namely that the rich are more talented and hardworking than the poor (see the recent Wall Street Journal editorial). For me, cases like San Antonio School District v. Rodriguez highlight the fact that we actively use the law to deny the poor an equal opportunity. Was there a good reason, other than tradition, for school funding to come from property taxes within the district rather than general funds from the state?
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< < | | | ._ | | One counterargument to the idea of institutionalized economic discrimination is that we are simply seeing the natural results of wealth. People with money simply can afford more things, including legal services. The rich have more advantages not because of institutional support to the rich, but simply because they are richer. Rather than helping the rich to the detriment of the poor, law is simply letting the rich reap their natural advantages of wealth, which in turn gives them greater opportunities than the poor.
The problem with this justification for inequality is that law is inherently dedicated to removing natural processes that we deem to be unjust. A strong murderer is naturally able to overwhelm and murder a weaker victim, but everyone would generally agree that the law should intervene to protect the victim. In that same way, it is not absurd to suggest that the law should intervene to protect people who are economically weak. It would be impossible to have an absence of institutionalized ideas; we must choose to either prevent or allow natural processes. By allowing the rich to use their power to the disadvantage of the poor, society is showing a preference for the interests of the rich: an institutionalization of economic discrimination against the poor. Insofar as people believe that economic discrimination against the poor should not be institutionalized, they must work to change society's well-ingrained systems and beliefs.
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> > | Kensing-
This was quite effective. You might want to address the most common argument justifying many of these policies; namely that the rich are more talented and hardworking than the poor (see the recent Wall Street Journal editorial). For me, cases like San Antonio School District v. Rodriguez highlight the fact that we actively use the law to deny the poor an equal opportunity. Was there a good reason, other than tradition, for school funding to come from property taxes within the district rather than general funds from the state? | | \ No newline at end of file |
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Institutionalized Economic Discrimination
-- By KensingNg - 24 Apr 2012
My favorite line from this course is probably: "we are kind to the rich, and just to the poor". I understand this line to be suggesting the presence of institutionalized economic discrimination in favor of the rich against the poor.
What is Institutionalization?
Drawing upon the discussion of personal racism versus institutionalized white supremacy, one can analogize that institutionalized economic discrimination can, even in the absence of individuals exhibiting a personal preference for rich people, help the rich at the expense of the poor. Institutionalization (as I understand it) is the collection of laws and societal rules which favor a particular ideology. Once an idea has been institutionalized, it need no longer remain in the minds of the people in order to take effect. The institutionalization of an idea can help encourage its spread by integrating the idea into societal norms that people then internalize, but even if people do not personally believe in the institutionalized idea their loyalty to the system as a whole might be sufficient to induce them to enforce the idea.
How Does The Institutionalization of Economic Discrimination Manifest Itself?
Institutionalization of economic discrimination can be seen in certain laws and legal concepts. For instance, the system of property ownership protects those with property, giving an advantage to the rich (who simply have more property than the poor). Many other legal fields, such as contract law, focus on the importance of encouraging economic growth and development. In Kelo v. City of New London, the courts determined that economic growth was sufficient to allow for the government to exercise eminent domain on behalf of a developer. Through access to greater economic resources, the wealthy are often able to create more economic growth than the poor, and are thus favored. In addition to helping the rich, laws are often reluctant to help the poor. San Antonio School District v. Rodriguez noted that there was no reason for the court to invalidate a law tying public education funding to local property taxes, since "at least where wealth is involved, the Equal Protection Clause does not require absolute equality or precisely equal advantages." The unequal advantages are the root of institutionalized economic discrimination.
Furthermore, the procedural process of the legal system is favorable to the rich. Defenders of the status quo sometimes defend the system by asserting that, since lawyers themselves aren’t fit to judge the facts or law of the case, they simply argue vigorously for their client and thereby give them a fair chance to state their case before a jury or a judge who will decide the facts or the law. However, this system only gives a fair hearing to both sides if it is assumed that the lawyers are equally competent. In reality, some lawyers are far more capable than others. These lawyers tend to command higher fees on the legal market, and therefore end up working for the wealthy who can afford their services. The end result is that poor people tend to get lower quality legal representation than rich people. While this is by no means always the case (skilled lawyers may choose to work pro bono or to represent less wealthy clients) it tends to be that the legal market prices quality legal services at a level that only the rich can afford.
Is This The Institutionalization of Economic Discrimination, Or Just The Harshness of Reality?
One counterargument to the idea of institutionalized economic discrimination is that we are simply seeing the natural results of wealth. People with money simply can afford more things, including legal services. The rich have more advantages not because of institutional support to the rich, but simply because they are richer. Rather than helping the rich to the detriment of the poor, law is simply letting the rich reap their natural advantages of wealth, which in turn gives them greater opportunities than the poor.
The problem with this justification for inequality is that law is inherently dedicated to removing natural processes that we deem to be unjust. A strong murderer is naturally able to overwhelm and murder a weaker victim, but everyone would generally agree that the law should intervene to protect the victim. In that same way, it is not absurd to suggest that the law should intervene to protect people who are economically weak. It would be impossible to have an absence of institutionalized ideas; we must choose to either prevent or allow natural processes. By allowing the rich to use their power to the disadvantage of the poor, society is showing a preference for the interests of the rich: an institutionalization of economic discrimination against the poor. Insofar as people believe that economic discrimination against the poor should not be institutionalized, they must work to change society's well-ingrained systems and beliefs. |
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