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LawSchoolClincs 4 - 09 Apr 2010 - Main.SaswatMisra
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  I grabbed this from the Law School Links thread - I think it's a particularly pertinent topic given that 1Ls are applying for clinics right now and that it deserves its own thread

The perils of state-funded public interest work?

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 Before the University claims “academic freedom,” I think it owes us an explanation of how it chooses its clients. If the clinic is run in a way that truly respects academic freedom, the administrators of the clinic should have no trouble showing that, over time, they have represented a wide range of clients and ideologies (at least some of which should be diametrically opposed to each other). The University apparently has not been able to do this.
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Although it is easy to view Perdue as the morally-deficient party here, I think that there is just as much room for corruption on the part of the University of Maryland (or any other university). Therefore, I think it is legitimate for the legislature to try to assess the methodology by which the clinics are run. Is the University simply filing lawsuits that will make for interesting job interview talks for its students, and for after-work drinks on the Harbor? Are these lawsuits being "green-lighted" based on the ideology of a small number of administrators who run the clinic?
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Although Perdue may be acting in a morally-deficient way, I think that there is just as much room for corruption on the part of the University of Maryland (or any other large organization). Therefore, I think it is legitimate for the legislature to try to assess the methodology by which the clinics are run. Is the University simply filing lawsuits that will make for interesting job interview talks for its students, and for after-work drinks on the Harbor? Are these lawsuits being "green-lighted" based on the ideology of a small number of administrators who run the clinic? Although I too worry about the implied threats that the legislature may be sending to the University in requesting the detailed information that it is, I do think that there are legitimate reasons for them to want this information.
 
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@Nathan – I wonder if the University plays the opposite role here as does in the case of military recruiting on-campus? In military recruiting, I think it is the outside party (i.e., the federal government) that forces its mostly unwanted voice and presence onto an academic institution under the threat of monetary sanctions. In the present case, I think it is the academic institution (the University of Maryland) that forces its mostly unwanted voice and presence onto an outside party (the small farmer, and others like him), under the threat of monetary sanctions.

By the way - I am a fan of the New York Times, the environment, and the University of Maryland

 -- SaswatMisra - 08 Apr 2010

LawSchoolClincs 3 - 09 Apr 2010 - Main.SaswatMisra
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One way to look at this (i.e., the "New York Times way") is as an example of a powerful private party, Perdue, using its influence to skirt justice and trample academic freedom. But how far should “academic freedom” extend? Does this freedom grant universities the unchecked right to use tax payer money to initiate lawsuits against corporations and families as they see fit? The husband and wife team that runs the small time farm referred to in the article is probably not wealthy, and may not be able to hire lawyers to best represent their interests (Perdue’s interests may or may not line-up with theirs).
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One way to look at this (i.e., portrayed in the article) is as an example of a powerful private party, Perdue, using its influence to skirt justice and trample academic freedom. But how far should “academic freedom” extend? Does this freedom grant universities the unchecked right to use tax payer money to initiate lawsuits against corporations and families as they see fit? The husband and wife team that runs the small farm referred to in the article is probably not wealthy, and may not be able to hire lawyers to best represent their interests (Perdue’s interests may or may not line-up with theirs).
 
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Before the University screams “academic freedom,” I think it owes us an explanation of how it chooses its clients. If the clinic is run in a way that actually respects academic freedom, the administrators of the clinic should have no trouble showing that, over time, they have represented a wide range of clients and ideologies (at least some of which should be diametrically opposed to each other). The University apparently has not been able to do this.
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Before the University claims “academic freedom,” I think it owes us an explanation of how it chooses its clients. If the clinic is run in a way that truly respects academic freedom, the administrators of the clinic should have no trouble showing that, over time, they have represented a wide range of clients and ideologies (at least some of which should be diametrically opposed to each other). The University apparently has not been able to do this.
 
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Although it is easy to view Perdue as the morally-deficient party here, I think that there is just as much room for corruption on the part of the University of Maryland (or any other University). Therefore, I think it is legitimate for the legislature to try to assess the methodology by which the University of Maryland's clinics are run. Is the University simply filing lawsuits that will make for interesting job interview talks for its students, or for after-work drinks on the Harbor? Are these lawsuits being "green-lighted" based on the ideology of a small number of administrators who run the clinic?
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Although it is easy to view Perdue as the morally-deficient party here, I think that there is just as much room for corruption on the part of the University of Maryland (or any other university). Therefore, I think it is legitimate for the legislature to try to assess the methodology by which the clinics are run. Is the University simply filing lawsuits that will make for interesting job interview talks for its students, and for after-work drinks on the Harbor? Are these lawsuits being "green-lighted" based on the ideology of a small number of administrators who run the clinic?
 
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@Nathan – I think that the University plays the opposite role here as does in the case of military recruiting on-campus. In military recruiting, it is the outside party (i.e., the federal government) that forces its (mostly unwanted) voice and presence onto an academic institution under the threat of severe monetary sanctions. In the present case, I think it is the academic institution (the University of Maryland) that forces its (mostly unwanted) voice and presence onto the outside party (the small time farmer, and others like him), at the threat of monetary sanctions.
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@Nathan – I wonder if the University plays the opposite role here as does in the case of military recruiting on-campus? In military recruiting, I think it is the outside party (i.e., the federal government) that forces its mostly unwanted voice and presence onto an academic institution under the threat of monetary sanctions. In the present case, I think it is the academic institution (the University of Maryland) that forces its mostly unwanted voice and presence onto an outside party (the small farmer, and others like him), under the threat of monetary sanctions.
 
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By the way – I am a fan of the New York Times and the Environment. I also enjoyed my four years at University of Maryland….
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By the way - I am a fan of the New York Times, the environment, and the University of Maryland
 -- SaswatMisra - 08 Apr 2010

LawSchoolClincs 2 - 08 Apr 2010 - Main.SaswatMisra
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 @Nathan - you raise a very interesting point. That said, I think we should look at this from another angle as well. The first picture in the NYTimes article that Devin posted is a picture of Jim Purdue. One of the reasons that the Maryland legislature is so active on this matter is that big industry in the state is pushing back and complaining to the legislature. As a school that accepts a large amount of money from the firms that represent many of the big corporations that the work of clinics affects (Skadden Stairs, Cravath Room, etc.) we should also consider how this affects clinic work. What will happen when a CLS clinic sues a big client of one of the firms that gives so much to the school? It will inevitably happen at some point (and I'm sure already has), but the implications may be different now that this issue has been brought into the spotlight. Just some food for thought...

-- DavidGoldin - 07 Apr 2010

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One way to look at this (i.e., the "New York Times way") is as an example of a powerful private party, Perdue, using its influence to skirt justice and trample academic freedom. But how far should “academic freedom” extend? Does this freedom grant universities the unchecked right to use tax payer money to initiate lawsuits against corporations and families as they see fit? The husband and wife team that runs the small time farm referred to in the article is probably not wealthy, and may not be able to hire lawyers to best represent their interests (Perdue’s interests may or may not line-up with theirs).

Before the University screams “academic freedom,” I think it owes us an explanation of how it chooses its clients. If the clinic is run in a way that actually respects academic freedom, the administrators of the clinic should have no trouble showing that, over time, they have represented a wide range of clients and ideologies (at least some of which should be diametrically opposed to each other). The University apparently has not been able to do this.

Although it is easy to view Perdue as the morally-deficient party here, I think that there is just as much room for corruption on the part of the University of Maryland (or any other University). Therefore, I think it is legitimate for the legislature to try to assess the methodology by which the University of Maryland's clinics are run. Is the University simply filing lawsuits that will make for interesting job interview talks for its students, or for after-work drinks on the Harbor? Are these lawsuits being "green-lighted" based on the ideology of a small number of administrators who run the clinic?

@Nathan – I think that the University plays the opposite role here as does in the case of military recruiting on-campus. In military recruiting, it is the outside party (i.e., the federal government) that forces its (mostly unwanted) voice and presence onto an academic institution under the threat of severe monetary sanctions. In the present case, I think it is the academic institution (the University of Maryland) that forces its (mostly unwanted) voice and presence onto the outside party (the small time farmer, and others like him), at the threat of monetary sanctions.

By the way – I am a fan of the New York Times and the Environment. I also enjoyed my four years at University of Maryland….

-- SaswatMisra - 08 Apr 2010


LawSchoolClincs 1 - 08 Apr 2010 - Main.DavidGoldin
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I grabbed this from the Law School Links thread - I think it's a particularly pertinent topic given that 1Ls are applying for clinics right now and that it deserves its own thread

The perils of state-funded public interest work?

Law school students nationwide are facing growing attacks in the courts and legislatures as legal clinics at the schools increasingly take on powerful interests that few other nonprofit groups have the resources to challenge.

On Friday, lawmakers here debated a measure to cut money for the University of Maryland’s law clinic if it does not provide details to the legislature about its clients, finances and cases.

The measure, which is likely to be sent to the governor this week, comes in response to a suit filed in March by students accusing one of the state’s largest employers, Perdue, of environmental violations — the first effort in the state to hold a poultry company accountable for the environmental impact of its chicken suppliers.

-- DevinMcDougall - 04 Apr 2010

Since Columbia, like most (if not all) private institutions receives some money from the government, I wonder how this issue will affect the issues our clinics take on. While I'm sure there's less pressure from outside sources at Columbia than at a public law school, there are pretty clear signs around campus of the government money CLS accepts. If we cannot keep military recruiters out of our buildings, how can the clinics maintain their autonomy?

-- NathanStopper - 07 Apr 2010

@Nathan - you raise a very interesting point. That said, I think we should look at this from another angle as well. The first picture in the NYTimes article that Devin posted is a picture of Jim Purdue. One of the reasons that the Maryland legislature is so active on this matter is that big industry in the state is pushing back and complaining to the legislature. As a school that accepts a large amount of money from the firms that represent many of the big corporations that the work of clinics affects (Skadden Stairs, Cravath Room, etc.) we should also consider how this affects clinic work. What will happen when a CLS clinic sues a big client of one of the firms that gives so much to the school? It will inevitably happen at some point (and I'm sure already has), but the implications may be different now that this issue has been brought into the spotlight. Just some food for thought...

-- DavidGoldin - 07 Apr 2010


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