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LawSchoolasTrainingforHierarchy 18 - 02 Apr 2012 - Main.AbiolaFasehun
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I found this account of the law school experience by Professor Duncan Kennedy of Harvard Law to be relevant to our discussions in class, thought I’d share. | | | Abiola and Meagan,
I would be interested in the topic as well. I definitely feel like I need to get involved with an issue that I care about as soon as possible. When I started law school, I didn't expect it to necessarily be enjoyable or even practical, and I thought of it more as a means to an end - the end being that I could help some people stay out of jail, or avoid eviction, or keep their food stamps. I'd really like to be reminded of the possibility of eventually actually helping people who need it. Class discussion generally reminds me of how unfair the world is, and somehow ConLaw? doesn't really fulfill my need to feel like I'm trying to do something about it. I'm really glad that you have an idea for a productive response to this issue, so thanks for that, and I'd be happy to get involved.
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Meagan and Angeline,
After reflecting on my post over the weekend, I think that to uphold the integrity of the Wiki (serving as a place to reflect on class readings and discussions) it would be better if we create an email list so that we can send each other opportunities that we become aware of. If anyone else is interested feel free to email me so that I can include you on the mailing list. It's great to hear that you guys are interested! -- AbiolaFasehun - 02 Apr 2012 | | | \ No newline at end of file |
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LawSchoolasTrainingforHierarchy 17 - 29 Mar 2012 - Main.AngelineAndersen
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I found this account of the law school experience by Professor Duncan Kennedy of Harvard Law to be relevant to our discussions in class, thought I’d share. | | | I would definitely be interested in the topic. I am feeling slightly overwhelmed at this point with the barrage of clinic/externship/curriculum opportunities for next year. There are so many fascinating and worthy organizations and programs I would love to get involved with - and many more I'm sure I would be interested in upon discovery of their existence. I would also like to get out of the Columbia bubble and do some pro bono work at a non profit in the city. I totally agree that it would be a shame not to take advantage of the opportunities presented to us to gain practical experience in New York. I have always found - throughout high school and my undergraduate degree - that I learn better, contribute more, and grow as a person through volunteering, working and engaging with other people outside of the classroom. I am sure many of us are worried about time management and over-committing, and I think it would be great to share resources, strategies, opportunities and our experiences on the Wiki. I think it could also be used as a breeding ground for unique initiatives that we ourselves may want to take up. While there are many amazing organizations and people already doing great work, there are also causes that fall by the wayside or that our individual classmates may be particularly invested in. I think it would be great if the wiki could serve as a platform for potential future projects that people may want to initiate, support, or undertake collectively. While they may not be spoon-fed to us by the administration or even readily apparent, I really think the tools we need to engage in the kind of work we want to do exist at Columbia and in New York. It would be immensely helpful to pool our knowledge and help one another to ferret out the often latent courses, professors, and practical training opportunities that hold value.
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I would be interested in the topic as well. I definitely feel like I need to get involved with an issue that I care about as soon as possible. When I started law school, I didn't expect it to necessarily be enjoyable or even practical, and I thought of it more as a means to an end - the end being that I could help some people stay out of jail, or avoid eviction, or keep their food stamps. I'd really like to be reminded of the possibility of eventually actually helping people who need it. Class discussion generally reminds me of how unfair the world is, and somehow ConLaw? doesn't really fulfill my need to feel like I'm trying to do something about it. I'm really glad that you have an idea for a productive response to this issue, so thanks for that, and I'd be happy to get involved. | | | \ No newline at end of file |
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LawSchoolasTrainingforHierarchy 16 - 28 Mar 2012 - Main.MeaganBurrows
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I found this account of the law school experience by Professor Duncan Kennedy of Harvard Law to be relevant to our discussions in class, thought I’d share. | | | In the same vein, I am interested in creating a new topic on the Wiki that will attempt to accumulate opportunities for students to get involved depending on our different interests (i.e. gender equality, environment, civil rights, education, etc). This idea came to me when I was sent an email about the NY State Attorney General's Civil Rights Bureau needing student volunteers to work on a fair housing issue, that may culminate in volunteers serving as witnesses at trial. Would anyone else be interested in this Wiki topic? It would be great if we could all work together to inform each other about opportunities such as this, so that those who are interested in alternative ways to obtain legal experience, can do so meaningfully.
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> | I would definitely be interested in the topic. I am feeling slightly overwhelmed at this point with the barrage of clinic/externship/curriculum opportunities for next year. There are so many fascinating and worthy organizations and programs I would love to get involved with - and many more I'm sure I would be interested in upon discovery of their existence. I would also like to get out of the Columbia bubble and do some pro bono work at a non profit in the city. I totally agree that it would be a shame not to take advantage of the opportunities presented to us to gain practical experience in New York. I have always found - throughout high school and my undergraduate degree - that I learn better, contribute more, and grow as a person through volunteering, working and engaging with other people outside of the classroom. I am sure many of us are worried about time management and over-committing, and I think it would be great to share resources, strategies, opportunities and our experiences on the Wiki. I think it could also be used as a breeding ground for unique initiatives that we ourselves may want to take up. While there are many amazing organizations and people already doing great work, there are also causes that fall by the wayside or that our individual classmates may be particularly invested in. I think it would be great if the wiki could serve as a platform for potential future projects that people may want to initiate, support, or undertake collectively. While they may not be spoon-fed to us by the administration or even readily apparent, I really think the tools we need to engage in the kind of work we want to do exist at Columbia and in New York. It would be immensely helpful to pool our knowledge and help one another to ferret out the often latent courses, professors, and practical training opportunities that hold value. | | | | |
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Two quick concerns – 1. we should make it group-access only. 2. It might be worth looking around current organizations and any websites/materials they have first, so as to not reinvent the wheel on this.
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LawSchoolasTrainingforHierarchy 15 - 28 Mar 2012 - Main.RohanGrey
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I found this account of the law school experience by Professor Duncan Kennedy of Harvard Law to be relevant to our discussions in class, thought I’d share. | | | In the same vein, I am interested in creating a new topic on the Wiki that will attempt to accumulate opportunities for students to get involved depending on our different interests (i.e. gender equality, environment, civil rights, education, etc). This idea came to me when I was sent an email about the NY State Attorney General's Civil Rights Bureau needing student volunteers to work on a fair housing issue, that may culminate in volunteers serving as witnesses at trial. Would anyone else be interested in this Wiki topic? It would be great if we could all work together to inform each other about opportunities such as this, so that those who are interested in alternative ways to obtain legal experience, can do so meaningfully.
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Abiola, that sounds like a great idea. I am hesitant to abandon faith completely in Columbia’s offerings – perhaps out of a subconscious desire to validate the tuition fees – but of course there is a wealth of other sources of guidance and experience out there, particularly in this city. No need to limit either way.
Perhaps we could begin with a list of topic areas, with subsections for long-term interests/goals, another for contacts, and a third for possible related learning or work experience opportunities?
Two quick concerns – 1. we should make it group-access only. 2. It might be worth looking around current organizations and any websites/materials they have first, so as to not reinvent the wheel on this.
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LawSchoolasTrainingforHierarchy 14 - 27 Mar 2012 - Main.AbiolaFasehun
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I found this account of the law school experience by Professor Duncan Kennedy of Harvard Law to be relevant to our discussions in class, thought I’d share. | | |
- See Rohan's description Above.
5. Media Consumption
- How to figure out the best media diet for one's self. Tv, radio, newspaper, blogs? Local, National, or International? Liberal, Conservative, both, or unbiased? English, Spanish, Arabic, French? As Professor Moglen keeps pointing out, we are about to go into this world armed with a degree from Columbia, and the consequent power to manipulate the law in a way that does justice. In order to do justice we first need to recognize injustice. In order to find and recognize injustice in the world and what needs changing we need to know how to properly consume the information available to us. In an increasingly flat and technological world I often find myself overwhelmed with choice about the best way to consume news and information about what is going on in the world. A course which presents students with different media diets, and helps students to figure out what media diet best fits their personality would be incredibly helpful and eye-opening.
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Rohan and Skylar,
I also think this is an excellent question and I am happy to have found your post before recreating a similar topic. One of the beauties about attending law school in New York, is that we are surrounded by so many opportunities to gain legal experience, yet many of us probably have not taken advantage of the opportunities that are available to work outside of the law school (or may feel there isn't enough time). Today, while Professor Moglen was speaking about ways in which we could obtain the type of experiences we will need to shape our individual practices, I began to think about putting together a detailed plan of the experiences I wanted and the people that I would like to work with prior to graduation so that I have options and won't have to "pawn my license away". I agree with some of your ideas for ways to structure an ideal curriculum, but one thing that my time at Columbia has opened my eyes to, is that if we expect to obtain all we need within this building or through the channels of Columbia, we will have missed many professional and personal development opportunities in New York. Thus, in crafting what the remainder of my time at Columbia will involve, I have begun to look for outside opportunities to get involved, create meaningful relationships with people who can help me in the future, and work for people whom I am in a position to help (many of whom are practicing attorneys that are not affiliated with this school).
In the same vein, I am interested in creating a new topic on the Wiki that will attempt to accumulate opportunities for students to get involved depending on our different interests (i.e. gender equality, environment, civil rights, education, etc). This idea came to me when I was sent an email about the NY State Attorney General's Civil Rights Bureau needing student volunteers to work on a fair housing issue, that may culminate in volunteers serving as witnesses at trial. Would anyone else be interested in this Wiki topic? It would be great if we could all work together to inform each other about opportunities such as this, so that those who are interested in alternative ways to obtain legal experience, can do so meaningfully.
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