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| | | However, I do not believe Ronbinson shares this conventional wisdom. In fact, he distinguishes between “civilization’s pathology” and “pathology of our criminals,” hinting that crimes are not necessarily related to pathological states of individual’s minds. Instead, he seems to suggest that crimes represent pathology of our system of civilization (and society) as a whole. Another statement that highlights this idea is, “some of the kindest people I’ve ever known are rapists, and some of the most despicable animals on the face of the earth are rapists.” | |
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< | Then, what is civilization? I think civilization is institutionalization of human nature. For instance, Freud theorizes that thanathos- the conception of death (and more widely interpreted as violence) - is part of human nature. Civilization is not negating this nature of destruction but rather learning how to institutionalize violence. To give a more concrete example, if non-civilized people were guided by their desire for food, civilized people learn how to suppress, control, and express this desire in a systematized way (only eating a certain amount, table manners, develop love for food that acquires
‘learning how to love it.’)
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> | Then, what is civilization? I think civilization is institutionalization of human nature. For instance, Freud theorizes that thanathos- the conception of death (and more widely interpreted as violence) - is part of human nature. Civilization is not negating this nature of destruction but rather learning how to institutionalize violence. To give a more concrete example, if non-civilized people were guided by their desire for food, civilized people learn how to suppress, control, and express this desire in a systematized way (only eating a certain amount, table manners, develop love for food that requires ‘learning how to love it.’) | | | Extending this idea of civilization to criminal law, I think what Ronbinson means by “the criminal law represents civilization’s pathology” is that criminals are institutionalized to express their part of destructive nature in a different way than how non-criminals are institutionalized to express it. | |
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> | Following this clue, my aim is not to find an answer for Robinson but to decipher what Robinson meant by the “thang.” The clues lead me to the idea that the “thang” is the mystery of man’s inhumanity to man. | | | | |
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Neither of these closing
formulations seems to capture Robinson's statement that he has a
criminal law practice because he has a deep need to get as close as
he can to the essence of "the whole thing." How about if I rewrote
"the whole thing" as "the mystery of man's inhumanity to man?"
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MinKyungLeeFirstPaper 4 - 16 Apr 2012 - Main.EbenMoglen
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< | It is strongly recommended that you include your outline in the body of your essay by using the outline as section titles. The headings below are there to remind you how section and subsection titles are formatted. | | | What is the "thang?" | | | However, I do not believe Ronbinson shares this conventional wisdom. In fact, he distinguishes between “civilization’s pathology” and “pathology of our criminals,” hinting that crimes are not necessarily related to pathological states of individual’s minds. Instead, he seems to suggest that crimes represent pathology of our system of civilization (and society) as a whole. Another statement that highlights this idea is, “some of the kindest people I’ve ever known are rapists, and some of the most despicable animals on the face of the earth are rapists.” | |
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> | Then, what is civilization? I think civilization is institutionalization of human nature. For instance, Freud theorizes that thanathos- the conception of death (and more widely interpreted as violence) - is part of human nature. Civilization is not negating this nature of destruction but rather learning how to institutionalize violence. To give a more concrete example, if non-civilized people were guided by their desire for food, civilized people learn how to suppress, control, and express this desire in a systematized way (only eating a certain amount, table manners, develop love for food that acquires
‘learning how to love it.’)
You mean "requires."
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> | Another clue that could lead us to understanding to the “thang” is Robinson’s experience in Vietnam. Robinson explains that his experience of being drafted is “the reconciliation of freedom and the state.”
No. The narrator says
that when, during law school, he asked about Robinson's experience
in combat he responded with a lecture on (his phrase at the time)
"the reconciliation of freedom and the state."
As one of my classmates intelligently pointed out, initial understanding of this statement is that war restricts a person’s liberty for the purpose of advancing the state’s interest, thus requiring a person to reconcile between freedom and the state.
However, I form a different understanding to this statement. If one kills a person in our society, one gets penalized because killing of another (except self defense and other excusable defenses
) is a “crime.” However, the same act of killing another person is not always criminalized for soldiers in a war. One can explain this difference in an easy way by saying soldiers are different because they are acting in self-defense.
Then it would be the
same. It is different because soldiers are explicitly not killing in
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> | Although this answer might be true for a solider engaging in direct combat with the enemy, what about people who press buttons to launch a missile? Are they acting in self defense? Other than expanded notion of preservation of his side, the answer is no. | | | Then, how does this difference relate to the idea of reconciliation between the state and freedom? I think this concept of reconciliation is much more complicated than balancing competing ideas of state control and individual freedom. I think it relates to the state adopting a different way of institutionalizing the same part of destructive human nature to fulfill its purpose. Consequently, soldiers who engage in a combat receive more freedom in terms of being allowed to channel their nature in a previously prohibited way, but at the same time, this freedom is not really “freedom” because it is another form of institutionalization allowed by the state. | |
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are not allowed to kill: they are ordered to kill. And more than
being ordered to kill, they are also ordered to die. I don't think
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Kafka
In addition to the text itself, there are other clues that can lead us to discovering what the “thang” is. Robinson mentions “Conversations with Kafka” and a quote well-discussed in class, “I am, after all, a lawyer. I am never far from evil.” I read the segment of the book that contains this quote to explore what Kafka might have meant and what Robinson might have understood from this statement. | | | Examining this position of lawyer-evil statement, I think Kafka wants to hint that this notion of “evil” is related to engaging in a deceitful act of rationalizing one’s action by blaming the system. | |
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Following this clue, my aim is not to find an answer for Robinson but to decipher what Robinson meant by the “thang.” The clues lead me to the idea that the “thang” is an interaction between individual nature and the role of social institutionalization. What I want to get closer with this idea of “thang” is to explore how institutions give freedom at the same time of controlling individuals. Also, I want to contemplate the source of different institutionalization that creates a division between people who are prosecuted through criminal law and those who are not.
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understand what Kafka meant, or what Robinson meant by quoting him?
Perhaps, as both Robinson and Kafka are both being ironic, the
primary meaning of the phrase could be the same for each, and it is
the ironic second idea behind that differs? Or maybe one means
literally what the other meant only ironically?
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Following this clue, my aim is not to find an answer for Robinson but to decipher what Robinson meant by the “thang.” The clues lead me to the idea that the “thang” is an interaction between individual nature and the role of social institutionalization. | | | | |
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formulations seems to capture Robinson's statement that he has a
criminal law practice because he has a deep need to get as close as
he can to the essence of "the whole thing." How about if I rewrote
"the whole thing" as "the mystery of man's inhumanity to man?"
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Criminal Law and Civilization's Pathology
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When the author says “I’ve never been able to figure you criminal-law types out,” Robinson responds, “it’s just some deep need to get as close as I can to the whole thing. To the essence of the thang.” | | | | |
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> | Following this idea of “thang” is a linkage between criminal law and civilization. He characterizes criminal law as a representation of civilization’s pathology. I believe this statement about civilization is the first clue that could lead to deciphering of what the “thang” is. | | | | |
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> | Then, what is civilization? I think civilization is institutionalization of human nature. For instance, Freud theorizes that thanathos- the conception of death (and more widely interpreted as violence) - is part of human nature. Civilization is not negating this nature of destruction but rather learning how to institutionalize violence. To give a more concrete example, if non-civilized people were guided by their desire for food, civilized people learn how to suppress, control, and express this desire in a systematized way (only eating a certain amount, table manners, develop love for food that acquires ‘learning how to love it.’)
Extending this idea of civilization to criminal law, I think what Ronbinson means by “the criminal law represents civilization’s pathology” is that criminals are institutionalized to express their part of destructive nature in a different way than how non-criminals are institutionalized to express it. | | | Vietnam and "the reconciliation of freedom and the state." | |
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> | However, I form a different understanding to this statement. If one kills a person in our society, one gets penalized because killing of another (except self defense and other excusable defenses) is a “crime.” However, the same act of killing another person is not criminalized for soldiers in a war. One can explain this difference in an easy way by saying soldiers are different because they are acting in self-defense. Although this answer might be true for a solider engaging in direct combat with the enemy, what about people who press buttons to launch a missile? Are they acting in self defense? Other than expanded notion of preservation of his side, the answer is no. | | | | |
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Kafka
In addition to the text itself, there are other clues that can lead us to discovering what the “thang” is. Robinson mentions “Conversations with Kafka” and a quote well-discussed in class, “I am, after all, a lawyer. I am never far from evil.” I read the segment of the book that contains this quote to explore what Kafka might have meant and what Robinson might have understood from this statement. | | | | |
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Conclusion
Following this clue, my aim is not to find an answer for Robinson but to decipher what Robinson meant by the “thang.” The clues lead me to the idea that the “thang” is an interaction between individual nature and the role of social institutionalization. What I want to get closer with this idea of “thang” is to explore how institutions give freedom at the same time of controlling individuals. Also, I want to contemplate the source of different institutionalization that creates a division between people who are prosecuted through criminal law and those who are not. | | | | |
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