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SecularizationOfTheLaw 4 - 20 Jan 2008 - Main.DanielHarris
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I am not sure if this discussion belongs under a new topic thread or a comment to the class notes. Since it's rather long, I decided to open up a new thread. | | My point is this: Holmes understands morality and logic as being precisely similar to these fictions of kingship, these metaphysical rationalizations of the symbolic state as the body politic of the King. By the Holmesian view, in no sense were they more than fictions to which the Law was subject. The secularization of the law balances the theological polarities of morality and logic to form a hybrid based on policy to affect social action. In the end, the Law becomes something in between philosophy and religion (the onto-theological epistemological categories) and mathematics (the logical category). This, in my opinion, is Holmes's most groundbreaking thesis. And as a man of his time, he was following the American school of pragmatism or thinking in the vein of the European critics of the Western metaphysical tradition in the 19th and early 20th centuries -- namely, Nietzsche, Freud, and (I daresay!) Marx. This secularization, so my running thesis goes, is legal realism.
Perhaps a most interesting question, therefore, would be: what legal fictions still exist in our legal thought and why? One comes to mind - the "renewed" motion for judgment as a matter of law after the jury verdict comes out. What logical or moral principles does this fiction serve? | |
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I think Jesse has a point, but there is something I am hesitant about. I think there is a danger in speaking of law as something in between philosophy and religion and mathematics because it opens the door to viewing the law as a set of normative principles. To think of law as a sort of multi-disciplinary body of knowledge that is a combination of the aforementioned studies can imply that it has evolved over time through deliberate, deep thought and study. While this may (or may not) be true one case at a time, taken collectively - statutory and common law - law is hardly just a synthesis of these studies. To this end, Holmes gives the example of the way the courts treat larceny, which reflects neither logic nor morality, but the effects of (perhaps imprudent) judicial restraint and tradition. | | -- EbenMoglen - 19 Jan 2008 | |
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Eben, I think you went "rather fast" yourself and attributed Jesse's post to Kate. I edited to split them up more clearly.
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