AlexLawrencePaperTwo 7 - 08 Feb 2009 - Main.EbenMoglen
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What is the Price of our Privacy? | | That's why the Pandora's box nature of personal information is so troubling: 'common sense' predisposes people to vastly underestimate what they're giving away. You either need a way to get them to fully appreciate the bargain they're striking before they open the box, or create some mechanism to revert the damage once the mistake is realized. Both tasks are daunting enough to leave one pessimistic.
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- All these schemes are based on the idea that "the Internet" is the web addressed through a browser. If the browser is equipped with ad filtration software, which is already in a highly advanced state if you're using a free software browser, or if you have an ad-removing proxy to surf through, all these schemes are dead meat. Indeed, the advertising-powered web, including Google's present business model, is dead meat unless the user at the end ultimately wants to see the ads. Because I don't, my web has no ads in it, and by the time consumer demand returns from its current compulsory vacation, children will all have figured that out and the ad-supported web will be history. Hadn't you better carry your analysis a little closer to the real edge?
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AlexLawrencePaperTwo 6 - 18 Jan 2009 - Main.AndreiVoinigescu
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What is the Price of our Privacy? | | So much of the controversy surrounding Phorm centers around the American obsession with privacy and the corresponding misconception that any of our actions on the internet are in fact private. So what do you think would happen if the American public could see just how much of their personal information was in the hands of companies such as Google. I don't know how this could be accomplished, but it seems to me that maybe the attitude towards behaviorally targeted advertising and behavior tracking would change if people realized how much they have already let out of the bag. I know this is a strange and pessimistic argument, but it just seems to me that part of the problem in this whole fight is that many people are laboring under a delusional theory of just how "private" their life is. So maybe the way to get more people to consent to behaviorally targeted advertising so that it can improve to the levels where it can make a profit while paying for the above mentioned infrastructure costs is to start a campaign educating the public about what they have already consented to in the past in terms of giving away personal information on the internet.
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Awareness and public education to lift the perception of privacy that many people still have is certainly a first priority, though perhaps that message is finally starting to get through: a majority of internet users are uncomfortable with targetted advertising and targeted website content.
I think, however, that most people still don't realize the full potential of the data they are giving away. They might know how they are monitored, and even have some idea of what third parties monitor, but they don't realize just how vulnerable that loss of privacy leaves them. The detailed insight about someone you can get through data aggregation and statistical analysis (enabled by the exponentially decreasing costs of storage and processing power) is so unprecedented that most just dismiss it as science fiction.
That's why the Pandora's box nature of personal information is so troubling: 'common sense' predisposes people to vastly underestimate what they're giving away. You either need a way to get them to fully appreciate the bargain they're striking before they open the box, or create some mechanism to revert the damage once the mistake is realized. Both tasks are daunting enough to leave one pessimistic.
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AlexLawrencePaperTwo 5 - 15 Jan 2009 - Main.AlexLawrence
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What is the Price of our Privacy? | | If it wanted to, Google could make Gmail a pay-to-use service at any time. But once Google has your personal information, you can't take it back or stop the company from using it in ways you never imagined when you 'freely' gave it away in exchange. With a few specialized exceptions, American law currently offers no rights to control how your personal information is used once it is collected. If you really want a marketplace where privacy can be commoditized fairly, you need to first set up a legal regime where sellers can control what they are offering to the same degree that buyers already can.
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I know I am quite late in responding to your point but you raise an interesting issue that I'd like to follow up on a little bit. As you said at the moment US law doesn't really offer many rights in terms of controlling your personal information once you've given it away. Indeed, giving away your personal information appears to be something of a pandora's box problem. Once opened, that's it. Moreover, we talked in class about how much personal information is already out there and how many people don't realize how much of their information is already out there and held by ISPs and other companies (think, for example, of Eben's anecdote about the guy who works for him who refuses to give away his SSN and Eben's point that google can probably simply deduce it from other information they already have). So my question is what do you think would happen if there was a way for people to find out and see how much of their personal information was already known and possessed by companies like Google?
So much of the controversy surrounding Phorm centers around the American obsession with privacy and the corresponding misconception that any of our actions on the internet are in fact private. So what do you think would happen if the American public could see just how much of their personal information was in the hands of companies such as Google. I don't know how this could be accomplished, but it seems to me that maybe the attitude towards behaviorally targeted advertising and behavior tracking would change if people realized how much they have already let out of the bag. I know this is a strange and pessimistic argument, but it just seems to me that part of the problem in this whole fight is that many people are laboring under a delusional theory of just how "private" their life is. So maybe the way to get more people to consent to behaviorally targeted advertising so that it can improve to the levels where it can make a profit while paying for the above mentioned infrastructure costs is to start a campaign educating the public about what they have already consented to in the past in terms of giving away personal information on the internet.
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AlexLawrencePaperTwo 4 - 17 Dec 2008 - Main.AndreiVoinigescu
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What is the Price of our Privacy? | | -- AlexLawrence - 11 Dec 2008 | |
> > | I believe NetZero? has been offering 10 hours of free dial-up internet access in return for tracking your surfing habits and bombarding you with targeted advertising for some time now. That no company is offering free broadband in return for getting to monitor its users suggests that either (1) the uncertain legal status of such monitoring under the ECPA and state wiretapping laws is sufficient to dissuade ISPs or, more likely, (2) no company (including Google?) is sufficiently sophisticated at behavioral modeling yet to make a profit after paying for the infrastructure costs.
Of course, behavior models are only getting better, and the cost of network infrastructure is dropping every day. A point will eventually be reached where such a service becomes commercially viable. The trends allowing behavior models to get more accurate and useful and network architecture to get cheaper won't grind to a sudden halt when this point is reached, just like they didn't grind to a halt when targeted advertising became good enough and storage cheap enough for Google to profitably launch its free webmail service. Google's profits from each GMail user undoubtibly have continued to grow since the launch date. Has the value they're providing to their users grown at the same rate?
If it wanted to, Google could make Gmail a pay-to-use service at any time. But once Google has your personal information, you can't take it back or stop the company from using it in ways you never imagined when you 'freely' gave it away in exchange. With a few specialized exceptions, American law currently offers no rights to control how your personal information is used once it is collected. If you really want a marketplace where privacy can be commoditized fairly, you need to first set up a legal regime where sellers can control what they are offering to the same degree that buyers already can.
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AlexLawrencePaperTwo 2 - 11 Dec 2008 - Main.JohnPowerHely
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< < | | | What is the Price of our Privacy? | | Recently as companies like Phorm and NebuAd? have attempted to contract with major ISPs and put their “new wave” of behaviorally targeted advertising into production there has been a large ground swell of opposition mounting against them. The chief concerns of those who oppose Phorm and NebuAd? all center around the idea that behaviorally targeted advertising as these companies propose it is an unacceptable violation of the privacy of internet users. However, despite these challenges UK ISPs, most notably BT, have continued to test Phorm’s technology with an eye towards implementing it quite soon. If behaviorally targeted advertising as envisioned by Phorm is indeed poised to potentially be the next big step in online advertising, then this begs the question, at what price are those who so strongly object to this new technology—and average, relatively uninformed internet users—willing to sell their privacy? | |
< < | Because of space limitations the simple fact that I am not a technological savant I will not attempt a very in depth examination of how Phorm’s system works (though it can be found here if you are interested). The basic principle though is that Phorm’s technology will sit inside the ISP and monitor the browsing actions of all of that ISPs users. Each user will be given an identifying number or tag that is completely unique, and if you believe Phorm, anonymous. Then through the use of cookies Phorm will be able to track and study your internet browsing habits in order to deliver you far better targeted advertisements on webpages that sign up to be a part of their “Open Internet Exchange.” What makes their system interesting though is that they do promise that their system is completely anonymous and no identifying information or browsing history is stored (check out the little presentation on Phorm’s website). | > > | Because of space limitations and the simple fact that I am not a technological savant I will not attempt a very in depth examination of how Phorm’s system works (though it can be found here if you are interested). The basic principle though is that Phorm’s technology will sit inside the ISP and monitor the browsing actions of all of that ISPs users. Each user will be given an identifying number or tag that is completely unique, and if you believe Phorm, anonymous. Then through the use of cookies Phorm will be able to track and study your internet browsing habits in order to deliver you far better targeted advertisements on webpages that sign up to be a part of their “Open Internet Exchange.” What makes their system interesting though is that they do promise that their system is completely anonymous and no identifying information or browsing history is stored (check out the little presentation on Phorm’s website). | | If you believe Phorm’s CEO Kent Ertugrul there are consumers out there who are very excited to have this product put into the market. It seems that Phorm believes that as more and more businesses go online and more commerce is transacted online, there will be a market for very well targeted advertisements that expose consumers to the places where they can do their shopping and research online. The idea, for Phorm, is that if they can actually improve click-through rates on online ads enough (which probably means by an order of magnitude) then the amount of money that each ad is worth (meaning the amount that the advertiser will pay to the hosting website per click) should also go up, hopefully by a corresponding amount. Then Phorm, the ISPs, and the hosting website will all split this increased bounty, and collectively get rich. |
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AlexLawrencePaperTwo 1 - 11 Dec 2008 - Main.AlexLawrence
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What is the Price of our Privacy?
Recently as companies like Phorm and NebuAd? have attempted to contract with major ISPs and put their “new wave” of behaviorally targeted advertising into production there has been a large ground swell of opposition mounting against them. The chief concerns of those who oppose Phorm and NebuAd? all center around the idea that behaviorally targeted advertising as these companies propose it is an unacceptable violation of the privacy of internet users. However, despite these challenges UK ISPs, most notably BT, have continued to test Phorm’s technology with an eye towards implementing it quite soon. If behaviorally targeted advertising as envisioned by Phorm is indeed poised to potentially be the next big step in online advertising, then this begs the question, at what price are those who so strongly object to this new technology—and average, relatively uninformed internet users—willing to sell their privacy?
Because of space limitations the simple fact that I am not a technological savant I will not attempt a very in depth examination of how Phorm’s system works (though it can be found here if you are interested). The basic principle though is that Phorm’s technology will sit inside the ISP and monitor the browsing actions of all of that ISPs users. Each user will be given an identifying number or tag that is completely unique, and if you believe Phorm, anonymous. Then through the use of cookies Phorm will be able to track and study your internet browsing habits in order to deliver you far better targeted advertisements on webpages that sign up to be a part of their “Open Internet Exchange.” What makes their system interesting though is that they do promise that their system is completely anonymous and no identifying information or browsing history is stored (check out the little presentation on Phorm’s website).
If you believe Phorm’s CEO Kent Ertugrul there are consumers out there who are very excited to have this product put into the market. It seems that Phorm believes that as more and more businesses go online and more commerce is transacted online, there will be a market for very well targeted advertisements that expose consumers to the places where they can do their shopping and research online. The idea, for Phorm, is that if they can actually improve click-through rates on online ads enough (which probably means by an order of magnitude) then the amount of money that each ad is worth (meaning the amount that the advertiser will pay to the hosting website per click) should also go up, hopefully by a corresponding amount. Then Phorm, the ISPs, and the hosting website will all split this increased bounty, and collectively get rich.
The problem however, is that while Phorm insists that people really want this service, and that it is the way of the future, many people disagree. In the UK, the first market that Phorm is going after, numerous groups have emerged to try and fight Phorm and protest the tests of their technology that BT has been conducting. To these groups, Phorm represents a drastic and unacceptable invasion of their privacy. One group likened Phorm’s technology to letting someone open and look through all of your mail in order to improve the quality of the junk mail that you receive. This is an interesting image, and it raises a very important question: what is the upside of all of this to the average internet user?
It is certainly true that people are buying things and doing things (like paying bills) online today that a decade or so ago would have seemed impossible. We are all also very accustomed to seeing ads all over the internet these days, but how many people actually click on those ads? Now, maybe I, and the rest of our class, am not Phorm’s target market, but I spend practically all day online and never click on ads I see online. I honestly cannot see that changing in the future even if the quality and content of the ads improves. Therefore, I am not sure that Phorm’s invasion of my privacy and tracking of all of my online actions is something I support. When Google first came out with Gmail it was a win-win situation for both Google and Gmail users. The users got a great, online email system with a huge 1GB of storage space, while Google got to inundate the site with ads based off the content of the users’ emails. Very few people objected to the fact that Google was feeding them ads based off the content of their emails in the same way that people are objecting to Phorm, because they also got something out of the situation. Indeed, Gmail can be seen as the perfect example of online mutualism, while Phorm thus far appears to simply be a parasite.
The question then, is at what price would those of us who object to what Phorm is doing be willing to accept it? With Gmail it took an email system, however, one feels that to get large scale acceptance Phorm would have to do something bigger. Recently, Phorm has come out with the idea that those BT clients who sign up for their system and help with the tests will receive one pound off of their monthly BT bill. This hardly seems like enough to motivate people who strenuously object to Phorm’s actions, but it might be the first step. What if in exchange for tracking your every internet action in order to try and use them to make money and sell you products Phorm undertook to supply free wireless broadband internet to the entire country and then stopped trying to contract with ISPs? Whenever someone used this free wireless they automatically consented to be tracked by Phorm, but if you chose to still pay a traditional ISP then Phorm could not track you. This is only one idea, but there are others—like Phorm’s ability to use their control over ad spaces on websites for public safety announcements—and I am very interested to hear what everyone thinks, and if people in the class have other ideas about how Phorm might make what they are doing more palatable. It seems that behaviorally targeted advertising is a fact of life at this point, the question then seems to be what the cost of accepting this technology will be for both internet users and companies like Phorm.
-- AlexLawrence - 11 Dec 2008
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