I am writing this letter because I think you provide a vital voice to the Columbia Law School community, and because the time you devote to students in office hours and the work you do on the wiki is more than commendable and should be more common. However, though you are one of the most engaging and dedicated professors I have encountered at CLS thus far, its not all just peachy.

In class today, we had a brief exchange about Apple computers. There is more to the story, and perhaps you remember our conversation last time I came to your office hours, but that isn't important here.

In compliance with Global Reporting Initiative's Sustainability Reporting Guidelines, Apple presents evidence to substantiate its claim that it is "years ahead of anyone in the industry," when it comes to the environmental impact of it computers. This is an amorphous statement that probably isn't true, but bear with me.

The reports claim that the 2008 15" Mac Book Pro uses 26% as much energy (measured in average US power grid CO2e emissions per hour of product use) as a 60 watt lightbulb. Apple claims in its GRI reports that it is the industry leader in removing lead, BFR, PVC, mercury, arsenic, and other harmful substances from its products. It claims its policy is to design smaller, thinner products that use less material, and to use materials such as aluminum which are more desirable for recyclers. It claims it has gone beyond existing legislation in both Europe and the U.S. in minimizing the environmental impact of its products.

Whether any of this is enough (it isn't) and whether greater strides can and should be made (they can and should) isn't the point. The point is also not to build up or promote or praise Apple, Apple products, Steve Jobs, Apple users etc. in any way.

The point is that you hide behind tenure and an aura of genius (no one disputes you are smart Eben, but your point today applies to you as well: there are things in this world you don't know.) to disparage all of us every time you make sweeping comments such as those today, and other comments that vastly oversimplify and polarize complex issues.

Usually, you will immediately attempt to justify this by saying "I'm trying to make you uncomfortable" or to "frustrate you" or ask whether we can't "separate the actor from the play," then allude to some greater but equally amorphous purpose (like encouraging students to use their licenses for justice). Like most statements of this kind, this is a misdirection. It attempts to disguise or distract from the fact that you are, in fact, simply pissing on us. (Eben likes to say students should not do EIP b/c it is an opportunity for firms with no jobs to offer to "piss on" us; thanks for the terminology Eben, I guess I have learned something)

I am tired of being pissed on, especially by a man who continually implies that he is morally against such behavior. I say "imply" b/c you have never quite said, that I know of, that you are morally against the kind of abuse you claim law schools and big-law firms dole out to law students on a frequent basis. You certainly imply, however, that you are against this as a matter of principle, because you believe we should instead be taught how to "use our license" for the the "pursuit of justice" (back to that old refrain).

I have come to the conclusion, that in fact you do not oppose these things you decry based on principle. Despite Apple being one of the less offensive major computer manufacturers with respect to the environment, you single them out. Why? Your constant disparagements of Steve Jobs, Microsoft, the entire financial industry, big-law, etc. are due more to personal vendetta than anything else. I understand you have ideological, legal and other kinds of problems with these entities, but that's not what you base your comments on.

If Apple switched tomorrow to computers so environmentally friendly you could bury them in your garden and your tomatoes and tulips would grow better, you would still have a problem with them. Its that closed operating system, the "flat keys," that they run hot, etc. Fine. But don't preach your ideology as gospel every alternate Tuesday and Thursday and decry people who don't agree as ignorant, heretics, or as (in your words) "having Steve Jobs looking up their assholes and liking it." It's unprofessional, unproductive, intellectually immature, and wrong. Not to mention it undermines your supposed goals.

If you have a real problem with these companies and practices, a real interest in your students, their pursuit of "justice," and possess knowledge that we don't, then do your job. Teach us.

I write this from the vantage point of a frustrated student, who came to your office hours interested in learning more about privacy law, and was instead berated for 45 minutes because I unapologetically own a Mac and an Ipod. I will not change my beliefs and practices simply to better coincide with yours. I will, and did, approach the question openly to learn more and come to an educated conclusion. When I tried to explain this, you called me a "moron." Again, unprofessional, unhelpful, and nothing but so much pissing.

I hope you enjoy your year off, and if you happen to change your mind about things, let me know. I have an extra Ipod you can borrow.

-- ArtCavazosJr - 06 Apr 2010

As someone who has been accused of flattery towards Eben (granted, by the man himself) it is probably redundant to explain the reasons I have a deep appreciation and the utmost gratitude for our Professor and his class.

I also find it interesting that nobody wants to touch this post when I know many of you feel strongly about how this class is run. But Eben has to give us a grade and nobody wants to piss him off, so I guess it is expected. All the power to you Art.

With respect to Art's criticisms I must say that the single most distasteful and upsetting part of this class is Eben's willingness to resort to name calling. I wish that Eben's brilliance would extend to his treatment of the people he does not like.

One of the legs on which this class stands is that of the presumption of kinship. We are all descendants of a mitochondrial Eve, and to hide this fact is to give ourselves permission to oppress what Eben calls the other. Thus, we hear Eben's eloquent insistence on the humanity's collective right to a fair shot. We owe the same respect to the Afghan children who are killed by our bullets, to the crippled Bangladeshi computer student, and to the hardworking librarians at the Supreme Court. Even more than respect, it is incumbent on us, as lawyers, to advocate for those who will need us the most. We need to save Joe Stack from himself.

It is curious to me, then, that this same respect is not extended to our kin who have been dealt a set of cards that have ended up to be most favorable to him or her. If we recognize that we are all kin, and that recognition demands a level of respect for everyone, it should extend to EVERYONE-- blood sucking capitalists deserve it just as much as misguided men who fly planes into buildings.

I find the name-calling offensive, rude, and demeaning to me as a student and as a person. It is the most resounding flaw in this class and every time Eben does it I cringe at how he is undermining himself and my admiration for him. Eben talks about the most oppressed groups of society with a level of empathy that is unmatched and that extends to his fight for freedom. I couldn't imagine him talking about stupid and lazy poor people, or homeless people who are idiots and morons. Unfortunately, I have heard him use these words with respect to people in his owner class.

I understand that from one angle, he sees our society as binary. The owners and the non-owners. I don't believe this justifies the different language he uses in talking about them.

I know that I do not have a license, but if Eben were my client I think I would advise him that his choice of words blunts the impact of his teachings and thus, his fight for freedom. -- NonaFarahnik - 06 Apr 2010

I guess this is what you would call a "concurrence", since I agree with Art's point but not all of his statements. When I first got to Eben's class, I really did think his words were gospel-- but it didn't take long before I started disagreeing with many of his points. I found myself frustrated by his one-sidedness, but I figured this is part of the experience.

I agree, his personality in class is more of a TV character than a professor, but I do believe that this serves some compelling purpose.

As far as the name calling and disrespect of his colleagues, that's something I don''t understand. Based on conversations with some of my professors, it seems Moglen's blind adherence to ideology has created a number of social conflicts. On the other hand, I also talked to a professor who described him as a gentle and kind friend.

As a student, I appreciate the effect of his class and how his teaching style furthers his purpose. At the same time, at some point I want to meet Eben the person, not simply the Moglen I know from class and office hours.

-- MikeAbend - 07 Apr 2010

Let me preface by saying that I appreciate Eben’s dedication to teaching and his efforts to make us think critically about the law. That being said, I think some of the criticisms expressed above are legitimate. I certainly do not think we should be coddled during our time at CLS, however I do not think our professors should routinely denigrate their students either. While there may be utility in unabashedly criticizing students’ ideas and being confrontational, Eben’s pedagogical methodology is too often singularly characterized by these elements. Without providing a good cop to complement the bad cop, Eben’s teaching often tends to be more frustrating than educational. Undoubtedly, Eben has the knowledge and passion to be an absolutely fantastic teacher, but without toning down the rhetoric and being a little more affable, I don’t know if he will ever be as good, or effective, as he could be.

-- TaylorMcGowan - 07 Apr 2010

I agree that calling your students names probably isn't the best way to get them to think creatively, but here we are - thinking critically on a blog.

@Art: This was ballsy. But unfortunately I think you shot yourself in the foot by stooping to the level - a low one, if I read you correctly - of saying that a professor is "pissing" on you. If nothing else, I think this class (and conversation) should make us try to know as much as we can about what we intend to argue - and to be able to take on the Ebens on the opposite side of the table. (There are a lot of morons out there.)

-- JessicaCohen - 07 Apr 2010

Also- I guess this is for Nona, but I think the name-calling makes us cringe (I'm talking about professors/the Dean and not students now) because it's those high-powered individuals to whom we are supposed to defer most. Why would Eben call a random poor (powerless) person "stupid?" We aren't up against them - nor are we living according to their rules. The crude name-calling - again not always justified - pulls the rug out from people we often don't question.

-- JessicaCohen - 07 Apr 2010

The respect we extend to each individual should not turn on what level of power they have, but on the degree to which they are human.

-- NonaFarahnik - 07 Apr 2010

What does "degree to which someone" is human mean?

I don't think Eben rails against people with power because they have power. It seems to me that it's the misuse/misallocation of power that really pisses him off.

And now I'm in this strange position of defending something I could never see myself doing. Anyway. If this about favoring "principled" arguments over empty epithets, I'm with you. I guess I just don't see it that way. Ask Eben why he thinks someone is "lazy and stupid" and he'll tell you.

I also don't want to get into this awkward debate over why our Professor speaks the way he does but it seems that calling people lazy and stupid - and other shock-inducing phrases - is meant to help us overcome our psychological predispositions of thinking professors at CLS and other figures can do no wrong. You say that if you were his lawyer you'd tell him not to curse or whatever and I guess some of it (especially knocking students, again) is unnecessary but I do maintain that it's sometimes his rhetoric that makes him so thought-provoking.

-- JessicaCohen - 07 Apr 2010

I personally do not like being called a moron or stupid. HOWEVER I think anyone who is truly offended when Eben "attacks" them, etc., needs to look beyond the surface and just focus on learning something from him. Who walks into a lion's den without expecting the lion to react antagonistically? And yet, field scientists everyday venture into the den risking the danger in order to observe the lion and learn something valuable. Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, but I think some perspective is needed here...

-- KalliopeKefallinos - 07 Apr 2010

Unlike most of you, I do like being called a moron and stupid. Someone needs to do it.

-- MatthewZorn - 07 Apr 2010

@Jessica- I mean if someone is a person they are a person.

I can't articulate why I feel this way. I don't mind being called a moron or stupid either. I just feel like it undermines everything else Eben has to say, and creates a level of animosity that might not help us get to any end except for attention in the general law school community. For that reason, can somebody who knows how please restrict this page to our class group? Thanks.

-- NonaFarahnik - 07 Apr 2010

Is it the name-calling, or is it the EATING ego? Yeah, it sucks to believe in something and have it be exposed or for someone to call it a lie or a fraud. I have beenthere. Eben has been paid to program computers since he was 14, so I would tend to defer to his judgment. I think one part of being a good lawyer is knowing what you know, but at least as important is knowing what you don't know. While not privy to your office hours conversation, this is what I gleamed from your in-class conversation with Eben.

-- JohnAlbanese - 07 Apr 2010